Day-to-Day work and
updates on the Ivy football season will continue on this blog. But to make sure
the emergency situation Columbia football and Columbia athletics are under remains on the
forefront, the following extremely common sense demands will be posted on top
of every new post on this blog until changes are made:
We must:
1) Replace Dianne Murphy as Athletic Director
right away
2) Replace
Pete Mangurian as Head Football Coach the moment the season ends
3) Bring
in an outside consulting/expert group to make the replacement hires and
evaluate the positions and effectiveness of everyone in the athletic
department.
4) Do
NOT allow anyone who has had a leadership position or position of influence in
any past hiring process to participate or interfere in any way with the
overhaul process.
Also: please look for Rich Forzani ’66 in the upper parking
lot overlooking the baseball field on Saturday to get your buttons calling for
a true house cleaning in the Columbia Athletic Department.
SCOUTING HARVARD
Overview
It says a lot that with a 6-1 record and the lone loss
coming in triple OT, everyone seems to agree this is a “down year” for the
Harvard program.
The run of close wins and a drop off in the defensive stats
make that argument a little stronger, but if Crimson fans are disappointed
right now it sure shows you how rich the rich truly are in Ivy League football.
Actually, the only things you need to know about Harvard is
that the offense is as good as ever but the defense is showing holes. That
about explains everything Harvard for 2013.
OFFENSE
QB Connor Hempel surprised me when he beat out Michael
Pruneau for the starting job, but he’s done everything necessary to keep the
job and then some. He’s got a 63% completion rate, has 11 TD passes to just
four INT’s, and a stunningly good eight yards per attempt average.
He’s also doing a great job of spreading the wealth. The
best WR is Ricky Zorn, with 36 catches for 568 yards and three scores. But four
other receivers have at least 15 catches, and senior TE Tyler Ott actually has
the most TD grabs with four. Seitu Smith and Andrew Fischer are very dangerous,
Smith being the real deep threat.
Going into the season I thought Zach Boden would be the main
man at RB for the Crimson. I was wrong. The budding star at the position is
sophomore Paul Stanton, who torched Dartmouth for almost 150 yards last week.
On the season, he has 680 yards so far and a 5.8 yards per carry average. Oh,
and he’s scored 10 TD’s.
The offensive line is obviously strong on a team averaging
38 points per game, but the sacks totals are disturbing. Harvard is allowing
more than three per game and that’s very unusual.
DEFENSE
To be fair, a lot of the stats for Harvard this year are
skewed by the fact that the Crimson have played in two triple OT games so far.
But the bottom line is that the defense is telling a mixed
story.
Up front, Harvard looks very good against the run. And up
front, everything is led by superstar DE Zach Hodges. He has five and a half
sacks, a pick, three fumbles forced and three recovered, and he’s just a
general menace. I don’t know what the heck the Harvard coaches are doing to
keep him calm going into this game Saturday, but I would bet he’s the most
eager man in America for opening kickoff at 12:30pm.
The other starters up front haven’t been as impressive, but
with Hodges playing like this, (he’s only a junior), it doesn’t matter. Strip
away the extra OT numbers, and the Crimson are allowing well under 100 yards
rushing per game. Much of that is thanks to the LB’s Joshua Boyd and sophomore
Eric Medes.
The secondary has its stars, like Norman Hayes and Brian
Owusu, but some of the stats haven’t been great. Even without the OT numbers,
the Crimson are giving up a lot of yardage through the air, almost seven yards
per pass. And the 16 TD passes allowed are also a surprise. One good note:
Harvard already has 11 interceptions.
SPECIAL TEAMS
This is such a deep program that the injury to K David Mothander
hasn’t really dented the team. Junior Andrew Flesher has come in and has been
perfect on PAT’s and a decent five for eight on FG’s, with no chip shot misses.
He calmly kicked the game winner over the Big Green last week.
Punter David Bicknell has an impressive 41.8 yard per punt
average with 13 of his 31 kicks inside the 20.
Andrew Fisher is a strong kickoff returner with a good 23
yard per return average and a long of 44 yards. Scott Miller handles the punt
returns well.
64 comments:
Jake, I would ask that you think long and hard on what your purpose is for this blog. This has gone way beyond the simple dissemination of information. Are you a friend or foe of this program? I think we all know you are a friend and do want the best, but some on the outside looking in can question your intentions by you providing a format for those sometimes vile comments from others. So please rethink this blog. Granted most of your blogs and your comments are informative however turning a blind eye to what goes on beyond your work and allowing the poisonous comments to be posted for anyone to read, surely, hopefully doesn't fall in line with your purpose! I would guess that the majority of your readers would still read your thoughts, so please consider doing away with allowing comments from outsiders. I think the Big Green blog is information only. PLEASE consider this revision!!!!
All those that agree please second this motion and if need be inundate all future comment sections with "I second that"!
Signed,
Players Parent and one that wants to find some wins.
I do NOT second this opinion.
Former Player
To the parent above. All I can speak from is personal experience. I graduated in the early 2000s and keep in touch with pretty much everyone in my senior class.
We all care deeply about the program and want to see Columbia win and win big year in and year out.
The same, however, cannot be said about our parents. After following the program very closely for 4 years they move on to other things. Following teams where they went to school, ect. My folks included. Those 4 years they were intense and focused on the program, but the second we walked off the field against Brown they moved on.
Just something to think about as, unless you are also a CU alum, your intensity will fade after your son leaves Morningstar Heights diploma in hand.
I have a feeling that your son, like the rest of us, will want more for the players that follow him. Thus the intensity and vigor on this blog to make sure the next recruiting class that steps into that locker room will have a better experience, as a player, than 99% of those that came before him.
I don't think Harvard will stop at 56. They will ring up at least 70.
I am as disappointed as anyone with the results of this season. However, I will second the "player's parent" above.
I second that
Who knows if part of the reason that we're not getting a better recruiting class is because of the tone of many of the comments in this blog. I agree something has to be changed. Isn't that the definition of insanity from Einstein, "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". Even if this is only contributing 1/100 to the overall problem, let's start right here by changing the way we do things!
I do no second that. We need to live in reality. We are looking at a possible 0-10 season unless something radically changes quickly. This isn't about support. We all support our team, but blind support is actually dentrimental to further success.
i spoke with some of the coaches at Harvard, they dont look at this blog and most dont know it exists. So, i have a hard time agreeing with the opinion that this blog is creating a stir for our recruiting.
the main recruiting tool is wins and losses; and we are doing a whole lot of losing and by big scores.
the insanity quote above is well suited for what the administration is doing: hire a bag coach, watch CU lose, repeat. Hire a bad AD, watch sports suffer, repeat.
so in 4-5 years when your kids leave CU with a good diploma and some good friends that will be great. However, there is nothing that is going to erase the pain they recall in playing on losing teams. The only way to fix that is for change and that change has to start now and it is starting here.
The Big Green Blog is written by a former sports information director from Dartmouth (no longer affiliated with Dartmouth). The writer is not a graduate of Dartmouth either.
Everybody should be required to post under a chosen nickname, at the very minimum.
All of these anonymous posts are confusing and too many people are tempted to go too far since their identities are safely anonymous.
Jake, I love your passion and commitment to the team and program. Thank you.
Parents, many of us lived through your pain as players 10, 20, 30, 40,50 years ago. If there was a CU blog in the 1980's it would have read exactly the same. Not saying we don't hurt for you but we've been hurting forever and the script never seems to change.
Very good editorial in today's Spec on our current football woes.
Rich Forzani '66 C
“All of us respect the athletes and CU. We are just tired of seeing them ill-served. We attend the games, we root for the teams, we bleed light blue. And many of us (including me) have played and personally experienced what the current teams are going through.
This is not about personality or disagreement. This is about the cold hard facts of our overall record in football and other sports. The current AD has delivered 1.6 titles per year to CU over the past 5 years. That is horrible, period. It is the same horrible average that we have achieved since 1957, so she has accomplished NOTHING. This does not merely affect football, but every other sport. Out of 180 potential titles in the past 5 years, CU has earned 8. Rationalize that.
Anyone concerned about this campaign hurting our recruiting should look again at our record. How does 0-8 after this week not significantly outweigh buttons? Please, let’s be real.
AD’s are paid to support and improve athletics, hence the title. This AD has not done so, in nine years of futility. This does not mean she is a bad person, it means she is a bad AD at CU. The record speaks for itself.
Our athletic budget is superb, but it is not being spent on the right coaches, the right staff and the right leadership.
Now, you can acquiesce to all this, go along, and throw up your hands, or you can campaign for change. If you want to “go along”, well then, welcome to the next half-century of incompetence. In the meantime, we’ll try anything to raise consciousness.
What we need are people who care about the teams and CU and who are willing to express this to the powers. We understand that there are different viewpoints, but can’t we just agree that something needs to be done, and soon? This has been going on far too long.”
teacher mike 196
3 cases where coaches changed.
Brian Kelly of ND was a raving maniac on the sidelines until the very sad incident of the student who was filming a practice falling to his death during an unexpected wind storm. It is unfortunate that it took the student's death to bring a 1000% change in the coach's demeanor.
Bear Bryant for 25 years the head coach at Alabama use to run practices from high above the ground on an observation tower. At a point during his career at AU, a committee of freshmen football players approached Bear with a complaint. They told Bear that they hadn't seen him face to face since they were recruited. The "corporate" tower came down and Bear got to know his student athletes again.
Lastly Jack Rowan had two tenures as head coach of CU basketball over a twenty year career. The most successful coach in CU's basketball history once observed an overly zealous high school coach abusing his players on a recruiting trip to Pennsylvania. Jack looked in the mirror and asked himself if he was that bad. He answered the question by changing his ways for the rest of his career. It always amazes me when coaches get away with abusive behavior that would get them arrested if they did the same thing inside of a classroom.
Kelly is still a raving maniac, at least with his Quarterbacks.
teacher mike: HEAR, HEAR!!!
mangozo is not a good coach but more importantly, he is not a good man. he might have gotten my buy in had he not PURPOSEFULLY and ARBITRARILY demoralized and demeaned young men who were simply in the wrong place at his time. i get he needed to change things and logic would say let's not do the same things over again, but his assassinating methods are what led to a lot of the 'diatribe' aimed at him found on this blog. beyond Lions fans, we are Lions and we should have never let him treat our own like he has.
let's root for victory but not at the expense of the health or mental welfare of our players.
The results on the field are more depressing than ever (going back 45 years or so,) but so is the sub-moronic commentary that goes several depths below the worst that appeared in the last days of Norries.
It's Jake's Blog and he can moderate it as he chooses --- or choose not to moderate it all.
But as someone who wants a new coach and who resents the attacks on Bill Campbell, I second the opinion.
Leonlion
People who only wish to hear the positive can start their own blog featuring their own agenda. However, denying negatives is not going to produce the outcome desired. In my job I deliver bad news to parents about their children everyday, such as telling them that their child has autism. I can assure you that smiling while you deliver bad news does not change the outcome or lessen the pain. In fact, denying the negatives is detrimental and disrespectful to the parents. Although the truth is painful, the only way to move on to provide intervention is by first identifying the root of a problem.
attacking the coach? Really? What a low life you are.
BTW
All of the coaches from the other schools do look at this blog and tell recruits to look at it. You are a bunch of ###holes.
I second the objections to Jake's idea. It's relentless, clumsy, and all thumbs--far more likely to entrench the people you want to influence than move them to act. If you want trade the emotional satisfaction of beating up on M & M for a good hard look at the long-term failure of the Columbia football program, you are going to need a much more nuanced strategy.
To all of you (parents included) that are against what Jake is attempting to do Saturday, what is your answer to what is happening to Columbia FB? Are you willing to settle for this again next season, then the next season after that? Don't be so critical of Jake for trying to better our FB program. If you have a better solution , please let the rest of us know. If you don't, then things will never change and we will be reading these same posts next year.
Rich Forzani '66C
So, pray tell, Anonymous, what is your alternative "nuanced" strategy?
We are all ears.
Without a beginning, there can be no end. This is the beginning.
You, friend, can lead, you can follow, you can contribute, or you can just get the hell out of the way.
How about you put some skin in the game, or just shut up.
Give me a break! There is nothing! Nothing! That can be written on this blog that could hurt recruiting more than the scores of the games! Get real....
No one in the administration cares what people on this blog think. The people with money and power are calling the shots. They obviously support DM. She is going nowhere. You guys are wasting your breath.
Just spoke to my son. Complete mayhem in that locker room. ENTIRE team is lost.
Saturday will be worst yet to come.
Parent
To Forzani:
Do you feel better wearing a button? Then wear a button. But anything more than the collective primal scream that makes up this blog would constitute a more nuanced strategy
Thank you Pete for your insight.
A number of players are not only upset but they want change. It's too bad they're afraid of repercussions if they spoke up.
If I suggest that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, the comment is attributed to Mangurian. That's a really effective deflection of my criticism.
With intelligent supporters like that, the success of Forzani's strategy is virtually guaranteed.
I know all of us have some experience in dealing with big egos. Doesn't it stand to reason the harder the push to get people to do something (like resign), the more they will dig in their heels?
Frankly, there is not enough of a movement outside this blog forum to get the changes required. They have to recognize the problems on their own. The problem with this however is they have already spun through many cycles of brainstorming what to do about it. It's goes beyond an apathetic leadership of the University. Other schools have their own battles to fight as well. It comes down to a will to do it. It has taken forever to get some better facilities but no one is there to give the necessary backing to really ramp up the program. It would have been nice if Norries Wilson was more successful. He has the right personality for the job. Now that they have taken several steps backwards, there is no one with the pull to take over and make things right.
As sad as it sounds, Ms. Murphy will need to step up and admit failure and fire Pete on her own. Then LISTEN to the alumni who want to help. I don't think Murphy will be fired so "we" need her to set things on the right path, as difficult as that sounds.
The hardest thing for humans to do is admit they were wrong; so yesn this will likely take a while.
I have always believed that CU needs a head coach that is enthusiastic, a good recruiter, and can handle the admin/alums. The rest of the staff should be able to handle the football day to day. The rest of the staff should also be young and have a fire to make a name for themselves.
This doesn't address the issues confronting us right now, but something to think about.
You just ddescribed Norries Wilson.
No, norries was good at certain aspects, recruiting not being one of them...he was adequate at recruiting..you need somebody that has experienced columbia first hand and norries staff was not good with the kids or have the ability to empathize. Norries also wasn't great with the x's and o's nor was his staff. He was an assistant coach in a head coach role.
Rich Forzani "66C
My compliments to the last few posts. Intelligent and insightful and appreciated. Re the parent's report from the locker room, I'm truly sorry to hear of that and I feel terribly for the kids. Unless you've put on the pads, you have no idea what physical and mental sacrifices it takes to for them to do what they do.
Why do you think we are doing what we are? They deserve better.
What kind of sledgehammer do those 3 or 4 of you naysayers need to understand this?
Oh yeah, I'll wear the button, rest assured. But if any of you are dense enough to pigeonhole that action into something as narrow as your mentality, you'll be underestimating the entire concept. This is just the first step of a total rejection of how things have been and are being done. So please, open your minds and accept the fact that things must and will change.
I and a great number of former Columbia athletes are dedicated to this. We don't care about championships; we care about competence and pride. So anyone dense enough to laugh or snipe at that concept, please go for it. Just do us all the favor of ID'ing yourselves, as I have throughout this correspondence. Put your money where your mouths are, or shut the hell up.
Norries was a good recruiter at first. The 2009 & 2010 teams were very talented. Should have went at least 7-3 or 8-2 both years. His recruiting dropped off when they didn't break through like they should have. Bad OC and he practiced his teams into the ground. If he had changed either one of things, he would still be there.
Coach Wilson was a good recruiter. Yes there were mistakes made, one not firing his offensive coordinator was a big one. He was a players coach and if you asked any of his former players they would attest to that.
The issue here is the present coach has alienated the players and has created the debacle the program is now faced with ! The only solution is to terminate him at the end of the season. The culture he has brought to the program is not working and is not the right fit!
It's interesting to consider that PM contacted DM, not the other way around. Of course the fact that Dianne had played a role in bringing Pete to Cornell where he achieved a pretty good record certainly factored into their relationship. My guess is that Dianne thought Pete would be a darn good catch, especially with all that NFL clout to impress the players and recruits. And the truth is that most of us felt the same way, including Jake. We were optimistic about our future with Pete, especially after he snagged Nottingham. No one could have expected this disaster after a decent enough first year. But it's clear that it's a coaching failure, they're are too many good athletes out there to think otherwise. And that Pete blames them rather than himself makes his failure even more glaring. Sad to say he has turned out to be an emperor with no clothes.
I feel sorry for Pete, it's a lot to handle, but he wrote the story himself. Hopefully he'll have enough self-awareness and resilience to grow from this.
I'm not sure how bad things are in that locker room, but if you look at all that is going on in the NFL with respect to how players are treated, if I were a coach( any coach), I'd use great caution in my treatment of the players. Like I said I am not sure how bad it is in there.
I think the Spec article said it very well the other day, that a failure to address the issues at the coaching level and higher would show a total lack of commitment by the University.
Time will tell, but Pete has certainly brought a lot of this on himself.
Given some of the musings on here about the team and him losing them; it will be interesting to see how they react this weekend.
The OC under Norries was both a bad coach and person.- enough said. His DC choices were just as bad - Ferrari gimmick defense year one and destroyed year two. Kelton - great person awful football coach (ask the Williams people)Brown just a complete mess on all fronts.
honestly, a huge majority of the team has quit. a direct quote from a freshman on the team, "i don't care any more if we win or lose, I am only doing this for the connections after i graduate"
Can't believe locker room is in shambles. Most young men can handle this. No probable NFL players on roster. Ones crying to Mommy don't have the guts to play tough nosed football, won or lose.
GP
Bad attitude. I do not hire this kid. Wasting time and effort.
Will quit if not getting everything handed to him.
Parent help him to change attitude now or this will be a long lasting problem
I don't know about the whole team. I do know my son , has NOT quit. He is still very much in it for his team, his parents, the fans and because he loves football.he is trying very hard not to get sucked up in rumors. He just wants to play football ! I know he is really disappointed in what's happened this season. His hopes are for someone (AD) to recognize the problems, after all is that not what she is getting paid for? It is so simple , do your job DM.
I don't know about the whole team. I do know my son , has NOT quit. He is still very much in it for his team, his parents, the fans and because he loves football.he is trying very hard not to get sucked up in rumors. He just wants to play football ! I know he is really disappointed in what's happened this season. His hopes are for someone (AD) to recognize the problems, after all is that not what she is getting paid for? It is so simple , do your job DM.
It's sort of typical of the poisonous direction in which this blog is currently pointed, but the knock on Aaron Kelton, now head coach at Williams, was very undeserved. Yes, Williams is only 2-5 at this juncture, but we're 0-7. And Kelton coaches at a Division 3 school where guys play for the sheer fun of it and well away from the sort of carping and criticism which now dominates so herfe. Also, he was 8-0 his first yesr at Williams, a wonderful start for any coach even if he's inherited a good core of players.
ditto the parent above...my son has not given up! Very disappointed as to how the season has turned out. Loves football. Plays hard every week. Will play to the end! As a parent just want the program to improve however that is best handled. Hint: these boys are too smart to fall for the psychological punishment when they have done something wrong on the field or even in practice for that matter. Positive feedback would work miracles with these guys. They obviously don't go out there hoping to screw up. They know what that leads to. Not sure if the attitude can turn around for this next game but man, they would sure play with more confidence. They all came to school with it only to have it taken away. Despite that, they persevere and become the stronger one. Happy for the alumni support on the job front!! in the end that is why they are there. Thank you for that. Go Lions!
From what I have seen of Murphy he will try to demoralize us in a hurry by isolating a WR on a go pattern on the first play from scrimmage. I hope we start with a cover 2 and provide safety help.
What I am interested in hearing is where people think this program has improved in the last two years. I hear people saying, "Give Coach Mangurian time. This is a rebuilding project. " I am willing to consider that argument -- but it needs some support besides just wishful thinking. Can someone out there identify the factors they rely on to conclude that things are getting better -- even if we won't see the results in terms of wins and losses this year?
Rich Forzani '66C
I personally am hoping for Harvard to walk on the field very cocky, and for our guys to catch a couple of breaks. I would love to see a win this Saturday. Even a good game would be gratifying, and give the team a boost.
God knows they've worked hard enough.
Fingers crossed.
Rich
Thanks for the thought on a good game. Unfortunately some of the others here only focus on your position re DM. But I've noticed a lot of conversation along the same lines that you and Jake have brought up, especially since both your comments. I've also never read anything you wrote that's been as snotty as some of the responses.
A parent who agrees with you.
Check this out from a CU student in the Spec today. Good, pure logic:
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2013/11/06/cheung-its-time-stop-giving-manguarian-benefit-doubt
this has to be said (maybe it has been already)
as a west coaster-BN was NOT recruited in the traditional sense by PM or CU for that matter. He did the home work and needed to start 2 years somewhere in the Ivy's. Why? there was a reason he didn't start at Stanford after 2+ years and 2 straight up chances. I wont go into that here. suffice to say that as a kid in a similar system he would be the starter.
secondly-there is 0 (zero) chance of wins against any team with him at QB. Hilinski is talented and young and hurt-TM knows system but doesn't have the same arm and instincts.
So, while the QB is THE most position in the offense and on the team...even a great one wouldn't have overcome the line and drops and general inability to get off the press or stay a route.
as Pop Warner said (paraphrased here) "I can outcoach any team with my 22 kids with heart and desire and scheme and perfect execution...but (!) if the other team is bigger, faster and better than yours? we will lose every time..."
I think us stragglers to the fire them all party was hoping to see glimpses of that system grow with his recruits. I didn't see that. I saw a group of coaches start to immediately blame the players for lack of execution among MANY other disturbing things here. what I saw and heard from the fr and so players via my own is that the young guys really gelled sp? but couldn't overcome either the strength of the Def line or adjustments or both. Notice that we got worse as the game went on---the first indication of being out coached as well as played. these kids deserve better (all ofthem) and I still believe that the best position players need to be on the field unless this is labled development league-which not only is it not- the coaches didn't treat it as such and get 7 yard pickups on second and 13 they almost ALWAYS ran it or took the low percentage pass read: homerun over yards with 2 plays to make a 1st. and the bigger the score gap the father the bombs away...I would like to see that group (young offense) (from what I've heard- as talented as any)get the chance to develop
I am a west coaster as well and can say with certainty that the Stanford program is tough to crack the lineup, especially at QB. You had Andrew Luck just a few years ago and with the success they had, recruits were not a problem for them. Nottingham is a talented athlete and kudos to him for doing what he felt was best for his interests. I don't think he was prepared for the porous OL at CU. he can make good throws if you give him time. Just don't ask him to escape pressure! I still cringe thinking of that tackle that he got hurt on. Hopefully he will be back and get a shot either with a better OL at CU or someplace he can thrive.
The cheap shot aimed at Nottingham is nonsense. With benefit of hindsight, Fordham is the best team we'll play this year. The score was 10-0 at half, and we had 130 yards of offense and two sustained drives against a fine team playing its fourth game. These are modest accomplishments, but far beyond anything we've done subsequently. We had another sustained drive under BN in the 3rd quarter, using five minutes of clock. So whether or not he meets your lofty standards, he was playing well after a long layoff against a top 10 FCS team. Yes, the wheels feel off the defense's cart before he got hurt, and yes, he threw a bad pick, but he clearly showed he could make accurate throws and move the chains against superior competition. Had he not gotten hurt, at a minimum we wouldn't have been subjected to the debacle of games with five first downs and 95 yards of total offense.
We're all angry on this blog, but how about we don't spout off about our best players?
Roar Lion, I totally agree with you , very cheap shot at BN. Also , please don't start singling out players. There is enough physical and mental pressure put on these guys right now.
Re: BN comments
I truthfully didn't read them as a "shot". It seemed to me that all the post said was that no matter how good BN might be, without an OL or sticky hands, it made no difference.
I also saw the Fordham game, and agree that we looked decent in the first half. At least we were putting up a respectable fight. But as Lombardi said, "Fatigue makes cowards of us all"
Losing BN's arm and facing a constant flow of bigger counterparts, it's no wonder why we get killed in the second half.
We need one solid showing, and maybe a win, and the mental health of the team will improve tremendously. The kids need something to build on for next year.
Re: BN comments
I truthfully didn't read them as a "shot". It seemed to me that all the post said was that no matter how good BN might be, without an OL or sticky hands, it made no difference.
I also saw the Fordham game, and agree that we looked decent in the first half. At least we were putting up a respectable fight. But as Lombardi said, "Fatigue makes cowards of us all"
Losing BN's arm and facing a constant flow of bigger counterparts, it's no wonder why we get killed in the second half.
We need one solid showing, and maybe a win, and the mental health of the team will improve tremendously. The kids need something to build on for next year.
Parents of whining "players", please advise your offspring to quit the team.
What we need is 22 Rudy's on the field, not a bunch of quiters.
Come and justify your positions.
GP
22 5'6" football players. That would be a brilliant strategy if this were a HS JV team.
Wingman,
Talking about Guts. 6' whiners are are not helping this team.
That includes players and commenters.
This is a HS JV team.
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