Guessing the story in the NY Post last night at 9:15pm had some phones ringing in the executive offices at Morningside Heights.
Begs the question if PM violated his contract in the process. Would guess the general counsel of the university would weigh in on that. Perhaps the GC already has and said we have reasons to let him go without payment.
Also begs the question as to whether certain players and their families might move legally against the university or threatened to do so.
Forget retaining any of Mangurian's staff they are as lame as he was...start new n Jan Recruiting is secondary to finding the right coach. Recruiting will take care of itself if you have the right guy....How about looking at the two coaches from MIT and Univ of Chicago...both programs were a mess and both coaches turned them into winners in good time...this is what we havent had in 50 years someone with a track record of winning as a HC
Columbia (FCS – NY): Head coach Pete Mangurian will step down today according to multiple local outlets. Mangurian went 3-27 in three years on the job.
tbone, someone needs to be retained simply for transition purposes and to keep recruiting process moving.
We really need to pony up money now for the next coach. Any quality coach would be very suspect about coming here, unless we roll out $$$. a new, strong AD, the results of taylor's review, and evidence from Lee that he is taking the new hire very seriously and he has complete support.
I believe it is confirmed. on the coaching front. I spoke to a well respected coach today and he would be interested so I think the idea that nobody will come to Columbia is overblown. if they follow up on the consultants suggestions, if feasible, and decide to take the sport seriously at the highest level, not talking Campbell here, then the school offers a ton of upside for somebody.
To the parent above. I want to apologize that the best day of your son's college career was when his coach left. For normal, healthy programs a coach leaving is a sad and somber day.
Get Hankton fast. Great recruiter. Former NFL WR. Will fill assistant positions with high quality people that will command the respect so badly needed for the CU footballers.
PS. Also has his fingers on Ivy recruit possibilities list, and knows Ivy recruiting protocols. Would hit the ground running. We would be back in the hunt immediately.
Coach, My main point is we need new young blood with Ivy experience, that the players can bond with and respect, immediately. Otherwise if it's going to be the same old cronyism, we will be doing this again 3 years from now. There may be better prospects available, buy it needs to be settled quickly.
My gut tells me Keith Clark, especially since he was o-line coach with our '96 8-2 team and his excellent work at Dartmouth. People say he has all the intangibles -- if he really wants it, what's not to like? Of course there are other very good candidates including all the ones mentioned. Decision will be tough but in any case we will be heading north.
That's a major misconception. So it's the ADs that we have to blame for 50 years of sub-par football. It's the head coach that hires the assistants, picks the recruits, makes the game plans, communicates with the players and fans. We need a field general, not another desk jockey writing press releases patting themselves on the back..
We should attempt to hire John Garrett right now- he is in transition, with the Oregon State staff moving to Nebraska- maybe he is not going - he could be in place at Columbia next week!!! Former great Columbia player.
Most major FB schools have a hands off policy between the AD and the head coach. As it should be. College football is the tail that wags the dog. Do you really believe that the Alabama AD has any say about the every day workings of the football program?
Alabama and similar programs are special cases. For many Universities, football is a cash cow. You can bet it's not just the AD who is keeping a close eye on every step and misstep with their football program. Ivy is very different as we all know but what it comes down to in all cases is the element of accountability. That is the issue at stake in Columbia's case right now. The AD responsible needs to take accountability and the yes men inside the inner circle need to take accountability. Bill Campbell needs to stay in California and detach himself. Have a drink Bill. Oh I see you've already done that. Ok then.
How many of the recent coach firings, and the ones to come, have brought their ADs down with them? Can anyone name 5 of the ADs of the top 20 ranked football programs? Also, a guess as to the salary ratios. Sounds to me like the ADs at the big schools are bean counters when it comes to football.
Wingman, tell us what the ADs have to do with the football programs other than rubber stamping the contracts of the head coaches that the major contributors have chosen. Are you inferring that you have Athletic Department experience?
To Columbia Fan: Who do you suggest hire the football coach at Columbia? Who is qualified for that task? And, by the way, Nick Saban was hired by Mal Moore, who was the AD at Alabama at the time.
Seems to me that Jake has published a formidable list. I believe the chances of repeating the mistakes of the past would be negated by a group of ex players, alumni, coaches etc.
A good AD that has the support of the President makes all the coaches in the organization better and is a facilitator for them. The find ways to make things happen and support the coach's initiatives. Likewise, a weak or compromised AD serves as an obstacle to the coaches and makes it hard for the coaches to get their jobs done.
An AD that konws they have the support of the President and who also realizes their job is to help the coaches succeed is the ideal situation.
I don't think we have ever had that type of ideal situation at CU, at least since the early 60's, but we have a chancw at that right now, here is hoping Bollinger delegates appropriately and hires a strong AD. If so, all else will fall into place.
PS: Maybe PM has a little more success if the Pres and AD were better able to support him but in general his personality was always going to be his fatal flaw...
Columbia_Fan there is so much administrative stuff that goes on behind the scenes it is mind boggling. Coaches need to focus on coaching yet there are a number of things they must tend to on the administrative side as well. That is what the AD dept does to orchestrate all of that for all coaches of all sports. To stay all they do is rubber stamp is just not accurate but suit yourself. No, I have never been an AD but I have seen how athletics departments work even at small schools and I can say they work hard for a living. Long hours if nothing else. Many underpaid staffers involved as well. The AD is a big deal and a pivotal influencer politically as well.
Wingman, My remarks are relative to football programs only. Administrative functions are obviously important for every sport, but my point is that If one of the criteria required to hire a new AD be that they be joined at the hip with the head coach,smacks of cronyism all over again. We've been there. If that's the case, let's
hire the best head coach available and let him pick the new AD.
My understanding was Murphy and Pete were not on good terms. Not sure when the fallout occurred but it was kind of implied they were no longer pals. Cronyism got him hired but it didn't do Pete any favors on the job it seems.
I do agree, it shouldn't matter who is AD as long as that person is competent with their hiring and does not hinder progress, make it difficult for people to do their job. True story, I was dating a women's soccer coach at a pac 10 school (in the 90's). I had no idea she was crazy at all until she lost it in front her players. We actually did not see each other for stretches at a time due to the travel demands of her job but I heard about her behavior second hand. Turns out she ticked off her AD to the point where it became a very contentious situation and they fired her. She sued. Long story short I was subpoena'd to testify in another state for reasons that are still unclear. Getting away from her was easy thankfully or that could have been very messy. They had a heck of a time suppressing the bad publicity with her situation (which she was in the wrong due to her nuttiness that kept getting worse. No one predicted she was that unhinged. It was high strangeness for a bit and I never involved myself.
Moral of the story is you have to do a great job at vetting people who you hire or it could backfire on you big time. That is what ADs need to be accountable for!
Wingman, I agree. The more I hear about the PM hire, the more I think someone of major influence at CU "recommended" him. Therefore no other people were considered.
Look how fast the top coaches get new jobs. They then grab the best available assistants. If we keep dicking around, the only guy available will be Pete and the assistants we now have. Jake, it' time for you to start a new campaign. We will end up with the same quality staff as we have had for the last 3 years, if we wait too long.
Who do you want as coach?
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you asked.
ReplyDeleteHere's my list from a couple of weeks ago:
http://culions.blogspot.com/2014/11/start-here.html
Guessing the story in the NY Post last night at 9:15pm had some phones ringing in the executive offices at Morningside Heights.
ReplyDeleteBegs the question if PM violated his contract in the process. Would guess the general counsel of the university would weigh in on that. Perhaps the GC already has and said we have reasons to let him go without payment.
Also begs the question as to whether certain players and their families might move legally against the university or threatened to do so.
This puts a whole new spin on the term UGLY.
11:30
ReplyDeleteAny news?
If this is true, it allows us to retain some staff for recruiting purposes and/or appoint someone as interim while we complete the AD search...
ReplyDeleteForget retaining any of Mangurian's staff they are as lame as he was...start new n Jan Recruiting is secondary to finding the right coach. Recruiting will take care of itself if you have the right guy....How about looking at the two coaches from MIT and Univ of Chicago...both programs were a mess and both coaches turned them into winners in good time...this is what we havent had in 50 years someone with a track record of winning as a HC
ReplyDeleteBring in JOHN GARRETT!
DeleteOffensive coordinator at Oregon State.
Columbia (FCS – NY): Head coach Pete Mangurian will step down today according to multiple local outlets. Mangurian went 3-27 in three years on the job.
ReplyDeletevia footballscoop.com
tbone, someone needs to be retained simply for transition purposes and to keep recruiting process moving.
ReplyDeleteWe really need to pony up money now for the next coach. Any quality coach would be very suspect about coming here, unless we roll out $$$. a new, strong AD, the results of taylor's review, and evidence from Lee that he is taking the new hire very seriously and he has complete support.
I wouldn't count on anything until he rumors stop swirling and we get hard confirmation.
ReplyDeleteSpec just reported it... I would say it is official
ReplyDeleteBig John Garrett fan and friend and I highly doubt JG would ever consider coming back here after what his father went through...
Did you play with him at Columbia?
DeleteI believe it is confirmed.
ReplyDeleteon the coaching front. I spoke to a well respected coach today and he would be interested so I think the idea that nobody will come to Columbia is overblown.
if they follow up on the consultants suggestions, if feasible, and decide to take the sport seriously at the highest level, not talking Campbell here, then the school offers a ton of upside for somebody.
Whatever the Yiddish word for hallelujah is!
ReplyDeleteThank God
ReplyDeletehttp://columbiaspectator.com/sports/2014/12/05/amidst-allegations-abuse-football-head-coach-mangurian-resigns
To the parent above. I want to apologize that the best day of your son's college career was when his coach left. For normal, healthy programs a coach leaving is a sad and somber day.
ReplyDeleteHere is to the future.
Get Hankton fast. Great recruiter. Former NFL WR. Will fill assistant positions with high quality people that will command the respect so badly needed for the CU footballers.
ReplyDeletePS. Also has his fingers on Ivy recruit possibilities list, and knows Ivy recruiting protocols.
ReplyDeleteWould hit the ground running. We would be back in the hunt immediately.
Has he ever been a coordinator? Who exactly has he recruited? Has he ever hired a staff? Has he ever set foot in New York City?
ReplyDeleteCoach,
ReplyDeleteThat sounds a lot like the criteria used to hire the head coaches for the last 50 years. How's that worked out?
Good luck getting him an interview
DeleteCoach,
DeleteMy main point is we need new young blood with Ivy experience, that the players can bond with and respect, immediately.
Otherwise if it's going to be the same old cronyism, we will be doing this again 3 years from now.
There may be better prospects available, buy it needs to be settled quickly.
My gut tells me Keith Clark, especially since he was o-line coach with our '96 8-2 team and his excellent work at Dartmouth. People say he has all the intangibles -- if he really wants it, what's not to like? Of course there are other very good candidates including all the ones mentioned. Decision will be tough but in any case we will be heading north.
ReplyDeleteAllie
Please, the AD has to be hired first. The AD has to determine the next coach, they will need to have great chemistry and rapport...
ReplyDeleteThat's a major misconception. So it's the ADs that we have to blame for 50 years of sub-par football.
ReplyDeleteIt's the head coach that hires the assistants, picks the recruits, makes the game plans, communicates with the players and fans.
We need a field general, not another desk jockey writing press releases patting themselves on the back..
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ReplyDeleteWe should attempt to hire John Garrett right now- he is in transition, with the Oregon State staff moving to Nebraska- maybe he is not going - he could be in place at Columbia next week!!! Former great Columbia player.
DeleteMost major FB schools have a hands off policy between the AD and the head coach. As it should be. College football is the tail that wags the dog. Do you really believe that the Alabama AD has any say about the every day workings of the football program?
ReplyDeleteAlabama and similar programs are special cases. For many Universities, football is a cash cow. You can bet it's not just the AD who is keeping a close eye on every step and misstep with their football program. Ivy is very different as we all know but what it comes down to in all cases is the element of accountability. That is the issue at stake in Columbia's case right now. The AD responsible needs to take accountability and the yes men inside the inner circle need to take accountability. Bill Campbell needs to stay in California and detach himself. Have a drink Bill. Oh I see you've already done that. Ok then.
ReplyDeleteHow many of the recent coach firings, and the ones to come, have brought their ADs down with them?
ReplyDeleteCan anyone name 5 of the ADs of the top 20 ranked football programs? Also, a guess as to the salary ratios.
Sounds to me like the ADs at the big schools are bean counters when it comes to football.
^ Not at all. Sounds like you have never been part of an athletics department to know what they do.
ReplyDeleteWingman, tell us what the ADs have to do with the football programs other than rubber stamping the contracts of the head coaches that the major contributors have chosen.
ReplyDeleteAre you inferring that you have Athletic Department experience?
To Columbia Fan:
DeleteWho do you suggest hire the football coach at Columbia?
Who is qualified for that task?
And, by the way, Nick Saban was hired by Mal Moore, who was the AD at Alabama at the time.
Seems to me that Jake has published a formidable list. I believe the chances of repeating the mistakes of the past would be negated by a group of ex players,
Deletealumni, coaches etc.
That's my point exactly, hire a good coach and get the hell out of his way.
DeleteA good AD that has the support of the President makes all the coaches in the organization better and is a facilitator for them. The find ways to make things happen and support the coach's initiatives. Likewise, a weak or compromised AD serves as an obstacle to the coaches and makes it hard for the coaches to get their jobs done.
ReplyDeleteAn AD that konws they have the support of the President and who also realizes their job is to help the coaches succeed is the ideal situation.
I don't think we have ever had that type of ideal situation at CU, at least since the early 60's, but we have a chancw at that right now, here is hoping Bollinger delegates appropriately and hires a strong AD. If so, all else will fall into place.
PS: Maybe PM has a little more success if the Pres and AD were better able to support him but in general his personality was always going to be his fatal flaw...
Columbia_Fan there is so much administrative stuff that goes on behind the scenes it is mind boggling. Coaches need to focus on coaching yet there are a number of things they must tend to on the administrative side as well. That is what the AD dept does to orchestrate all of that for all coaches of all sports. To stay all they do is rubber stamp is just not accurate but suit yourself. No, I have never been an AD but I have seen how athletics departments work even at small schools and I can say they work hard for a living. Long hours if nothing else. Many underpaid staffers involved as well. The AD is a big deal and a pivotal influencer politically as well.
ReplyDeleteWingman,
DeleteMy remarks are relative to
football programs only. Administrative functions are obviously important for every sport, but my point is that If one of the criteria required to hire a new AD be that they be joined at the hip with the head coach,smacks of cronyism all over again. We've been there.
If that's the case, let's
hire the best head coach available and let him pick the new AD.
My understanding was Murphy and Pete were not on good terms. Not sure when the fallout occurred but it was kind of implied they were no longer pals. Cronyism got him hired but it didn't do Pete any favors on the job it seems.
ReplyDeleteI do agree, it shouldn't matter who is AD as long as that person is competent with their hiring and does not hinder progress, make it difficult for people to do their job. True story, I was dating a women's soccer coach at a pac 10 school (in the 90's). I had no idea she was crazy at all until she lost it in front her players. We actually did not see each other for stretches at a time due to the travel demands of her job but I heard about her behavior second hand. Turns out she ticked off her AD to the point where it became a very contentious situation and they fired her. She sued. Long story short I was subpoena'd to testify in another state for reasons that are still unclear. Getting away from her was easy thankfully or that could have been very messy. They had a heck of a time suppressing the bad publicity with her situation (which she was in the wrong due to her nuttiness that kept getting worse. No one predicted she was that unhinged. It was high strangeness for a bit and I never involved myself.
Moral of the story is you have to do a great job at vetting people who you hire or it could backfire on you big time. That is what ADs need to be accountable for!
Wingman,
ReplyDeleteI agree. The more I hear about the PM hire, the more I think someone of major influence at CU "recommended"
him. Therefore no other people were considered.
Look how fast the top coaches get new jobs. They then grab the best available assistants. If we keep dicking around, the only guy available will be Pete and the assistants we now have.
ReplyDeleteJake, it' time for you to start a new campaign. We will end up with the same quality staff as we have had for the last 3 years, if we wait too long.