Brown 21 Columbia 14 (OT)
Why Brown Won
The Bears offense moved the ball consistently in the most clutch situations, while the defense held the Lions in check most of the day.
Why Columbia Lost
The Lions offense was mostly punchless, ruining a great effort by the defense and the special teams.
Key Turning Points
-With the score tied 7-7, and about 4:30 left in the 3rd quarter, Columbia got a pass completion and 15-yard facemask penalty tacked on to it for a 1st down at the Brown 36. The next three plays netted CU just one yard, and the Lions chose not to go for it on 4th down at the 35 and punted the ball away. Brown got the ball from that punt and went on a 14-play TD drive that included a 1st down on a 4th and 11 play.
-With under 30 seconds left in the game and the score tied at 14. the Lions had a 4th and 3 at the Brown 32. The coaches obviously didn't think PK Hugo Merry could hit a 50-yard FG into a slight wind and elected to go for it, but did not get the 1st down.
-In OT, Brown faced a 3rd and 9 at the CU 11, and Bear QB Jake Wilcox made a nice throw to WR Graham Walker short of the 1st down, but the Lions could not make the tackle and he slipped into the end zone for the winning score.
Columbia Positives
-The Lions committed no turnovers.
-DB Aaron Brebnor made an athletic block of a short Brown FG attempt at the end of the 1st half.
-CU had a consistent pass rush, netting three sacks and three holding penalties that were the direct result of the strong rush.
Columbia Negatives
-The Lions had some flashes on offense, but little consistency. The opening drive was filled with well-executed plays and imaginative play calling, but it took forever for that fire to rekindle itself.
-The Lion pass defense continues to leave too much of a cushion for opposing WR's to make easy catches for 5-8 yard gains.
Columbia MVP
-In his final home game 5th year senior WR JJ Jenkins had an awesome day, with 4 catches for 70 yards and two TD's. The first TD catch was an acrobatic masterpiece.
98 comments:
The heart of our problem is the offensive line. It is not the play calling. Our line is just not opening holes for the run game or providing adequate pass pro.
Unfortunately i have to agree. Only silver lining is we played 3 sophs and 1 junior all of whom I expect will improve next year
Don't think that I am oblivious to the obvious, but why did you state earlier that it would be the last time that we saw the present staff at Wien?
Either a well placed source or, “I just pulled it out of my ass.”
The later
Not the left side
There is no going back since we have gone from 7 year mediocrity to , what is a Mangurian/ Nories disaster. Can Jim Engles become our football guru?
Jim knows a thing or two about losing!
Right out of his ass.
The Athletic Departments of Columbia University and Bard College apparently differ on what happened today when the two teams played a basketball game at Columbia's Levien Gymnasium. The Columbia Athletics Website credits the 86-36 result in favor of Columbia as a "Win," whereas the Bard Athletics Website claims it was an "Exhibition Game" so there was no winner or loser. I wonder whether this might become a legal issue for persons who actually bet on today's event. Hopefully, no one did.
In all of NCAA Football, the fifth ranked defense gives up an average of 262 yards per game. The Lions’ offense averages 260 yards of offense a game. The fourth ranked scoring defense nationally, yields 15 points per game. The Columbia offense averages 14.1 points per game. We have performed worse than the best defenses allow..
The Offense is dreadful, statistically maybe the worst in the last six decades of Columbia Football, which is saying quite a bit.
Before he was the Interim Head Coach, Mark Fabish was the Offensive Coordinator. This is his offense. He designed it. He has two senior quarterbacks that run it.
What is promoting people to defend him? To lobby that he become the Head Coach? Worse, to become belligerent when people advocate for a regime change?
Look at Mike Yurcich’s credentials, the OC who Penn State just fired. Jimbo Fisher won a National Championship in the last ten years. Look at the coach of Boise State who just got fired.
Staying the course with mediocrity does not produce a winner.
TIME TO MOVE ON!
This is very common, moron.
Those coaches you mentioned would never come here. Never.
“We Must MoveOn.org” intentionally miss the point. Your quick call to replace, some even after first game loss to a “terrible” Lafayette, reveals that there are issues other than this coach’s long term potential at play here
I believe Jimbo was 6 years into tenure. No one is saying stay the course that long without demonstrating success
We paid plenty to get Bagnoli here. By clever scheduling he got 15 OOC wins, with 20 Ivy wins. Total: 35 wins. Very different from his Penn days. As true fans know, his offense here was never fun to watch. Passes under 5 yards, little of any surprise plays or innovation. Thanks to Wainwright and Smith we had 1great year. What's the point? Fabish ran this offense. Initially somewhat decently. However as we all know there has been a steady decline., culminating in game after game poor play calling, poor decisions,etc. without Al there to say " What are you doing?" Fabish is lost. We are now facing a 0-7 Ivy season! When have we last seen that! "
As has been typical, anyone who does not advocate for Mark Fabish is portrayed as being mis-informed.
For certain, the author of the previous thread was not suggesting that any of those coaches who were fired this past weekend should be considered for employment at Columbia. I believe the point that was being made was that these are coaches with superior resumes and credentials far more impressive than Mark Fabish’s, and yet, when their programs failed to produce the expected results, they were dismissed. They paid the price for their teams’ underperformance.
Even the most ardent Fabish supporters have to admit the Lions, and particularly the offense, underperformed this year. The statistics are revolting.
Why should Fabish, the creator of this offense, the person on the coaching staff with the greatest depth of offensive knowledge, be rewarded? Why should he not be held accountable?
What evidence is there that he has “long term potential”?
If Al Bagnoli had resigned right at the end of last season, or even after this season, does anyone truly believe Mark Fabish would have been anointed immediately without a search for other candidates?
Fabish has not demonstrated that he is the best available choice. If after interviewing other potential options, he is deemed the best available, then by all means it is incumbent upon us to support him.
Comparing Fabish to Jimbo is idiotic.
Texas A & M could have saved a ton of money and held out up for “long term potential”.
It seems big time college football coaching is about, “what have you done for me today”.
And by the way, has anyone figured out what Mark Fabish has done for Columbia Football, nevermind today, how about through nine games?
I agree finally. While I have always thought calls to replace Fab, especially the early ones were driven by something other than coaching merit, it is fair that the results this season should drive a thorough search/interview process. Coach Fab should definitely be one of the candidates considered
The quicker this process happens the better. Seniors will have to decide whether to come back for their covid season. Without those players next year could be ugly (yes worse than this year). Also, maintaining the recruiting class will be impacted the longer it takes.
Right. And once again, the Fabulists can’t point to anything he’s accomplished. Not a single argument about Fabish’s merits—instead it’s deflect, ad hominem, it’s hard to win, etc.
The last 5 or so comments are spot on
Fabish inherited 32 seniors, many with lots of game experience. He inherited two All-Ivy receivers, an All-Ivy RB and two senior QBs who had played well in the past. He was OC for seven years, he's accountable for the offense. And yet we have 78 points in Ivy play, far below #7 Cornell. The middle four offenses in the league average 21-24 ppg, we score 13. (And we got two late TDs vs Harvard after they pulled the first string or our average would be 10). Brown has the worst defense in the league and they held us to 14 points.
If Fabish had inherited a young team and they were playing better as the year progressed, he could make a claim for the job. He inherited an experienced team that went 6-4 last year. His offense has been awful all year. We had a chance to beat Brown with a 3rd and 4 with 90 seconds left and we called two horrible plays and went to OT.
And yes, next year's team is likely to be worse than this year. We lose 32 seniors and nearly all of our offensive skill players.
I recognize that the kids played very hard Saturday. But a deserving head coach wins at least the occasional close game. You can't lose all of them.
Couldn't have said it better!
32 seniors. 0-6 in Ivy competition.
Do we want those seniors back for a 5th season?
With Fabish? Rinse, repeat…
I come back to the point that the offensive line was the one weakness which we really could not overcome. We had a left tackle who never played the position before and two sophomores. The other starters were either newcomers as regulars or occasional starters. So the bottom line is that you cannot run a passing game without decent protection and you cannot run the ball unless you can run block. Basically we didn’t do either. While we kept on hearing that the OL played hard, they just were too green to be effective. Give any QB a full 4 seconds or give any RB a crease and you have an offense. I don’t want to point fingers but am willing to be that none of our OL starters will get any post -season recognition this year. Maybe next year, with more game experienc3, but not this year.
Problems are way beyond the OL. OL is one of many factors that led to the disaster of a season. Planning, preparation, execution, in game decision making, adaptation,etc. To me the overall grade is F. Evidence? 0-6 , soon to be 0-7.
I agree. If Bags demands that Not-so-Fabs get interviewed, it should be done entirely as a courtesy (pro forma, if you will). If Peter does the right thing, we’ll have new (external) hires for both football and men’s basketball. This is a critical moment for Pilling.
Respectfully, I think you’re the one missing the point, which is that Fabish was awful. In what universe should such a bad coaching job be rewarded? Certainly not this one.
If Bagnoli had chosen to coach this season, can we say that we would have had a wi Ning record? And if Fabish is given another year, would it be with the understanding that his OC and all other assistants other than Stovall would have to go? And if we do interview other candidates,is Jon Poppe locked in at Union? Or is there a great young coordinator at one of the other Ivies who might be available? As far as whether Fabish stays, I wonder what representations were made to him by Pilling before the season?
The OL was mediocre but not awful. Giorgi is going to end up with a respectable YPC despite every D in the league knowing they don't have to worry about the pass. Unfortunately, I watched Bell throw inaccurately for five games, so I can't agree that pass pro was the main issue. Yes, he had to scramble sometimes, yes, it was always raining. And yes, he was bad. 40% completion rate in five games is stunningly bad. All of our opponents, in the same rain, did better. Including Marist.
The HC was OC for seven years. He did not earn the promotion.
And to repeat, 32 seniors who went 13-7 the past two years should not be looking at 3-7/2-8 with the worst offense in the Ivy League, by far.
Roar gets it.
It might be hard to pry away any of the Coordinators in the Ivy League that would be great choices.
Mike Willis is the OC at Princeton. He is also the Associate Head Coach. He is an ex-Tiger and has been there at least seven years.
Mickey Feinstein is the OC at Harvard. He is also the Associate Head Coach
The best O Line Coach in the league is Keith Clark at Dartmouth. Before going to Hanover, he was at Yale for 12 years, and has now been at Dartmouth for 14. The man can coach. Hard to see him taking a head coaching spot. He also recruits New Jersey.
Vincent Brown, the former All Pro inside linebacker for the Patriots, was the Associate Head Coach at William and Mary. A great defensive mind, but he is now in his first year as Head Coach at North Carolina A & T.
There is Adam Scheier who is an assistant at Temple, who did a stint at Columbia.
The Head Coach at Muhlenberg, Nate Milne is a young, bright coach, but really has no familiarity with the Ivy League. He is an offensive mind, so teaming him with Stovall could work.
Ryan Carty at Delaware is a young, brilliant coach. Again an offensive mind as an ex Blue Hen QB who won a National Championship. Downside is no Ivy League familiarity. Again, maybe a teaming up with Stoval.
We cannot keep sticking with “the devil you know, is better than the devil you do not know.”
Fabish is just not the right coach. Why should we expect better results next year from him?
The point about the OL is solid and reasonable. However, I cannot accept that the OL was the deciding factor in close losses to Princeton, Penn, Dartmouth and Cornell. That is not the reason why we did not come away with victories in any of these closely contested and hard fought games.
How important is it that he players continue to play hard for the coaches and have not quit on themselves, the team, or the staff? And if we come away with a win at Cornell would that move the needle? For examples of players quitting on the coaches se, e.g., Mangurian in his final two years, or Daboll during last night’s Giant loss.
So bad first season for fab = fire him. Bad first season for other IL coach = stay the course program was in decline. But wait , Bagnoli record was padded w cupcakes, he didnt really have a winning record, so maybe program wasnt “strong” upon his departure. Which is it fellas?
Can someone please admit they want a change because they dont like the guy? You think Surace looked like anything but a bumbling idiot his first year?
Poppe sucks
Forget whether we like Fabish or not.
Fabish becomes the head coach, name one coach in the league who, on the eve of their game against the Lions, will be worried they might be outcoached by Mark Fabish?
Explain the ineptitude of this offense, if it is not on Mark Fabish.
32 Seniors, 7-7, over the past two years in Ivy League play: how do you explain 1-6 maybe if we are lucky?
Maybe Surace et al looked inept for a while, but they also did not average 260 yards of offense per game. Take away garbage time scores in the last minute again Yale and Harvard, and the offense has scored, on average less than two touchdowns a game. Look at their average yards per play, first downs, third down conversions. Bottom of the league, and the team above us, are dramatically more successful.
And yes, I have no regard for a person who not once, after a loss, has said, “I have to do better as a coach.” And yes, I find it despicable for him to have said, “we played Harvard even for 54 minutes”. The
Again, I have yet to hear, form the “stay the course crowd”, one reason why Mark Fabish has shown he is head coaching material.
Pure studs on the Defensive Side of the Ball.
OT, but in regard to Fisher: "They paid the price for their teams’ underperformance." He's getting a $75 million buyout.
I submit he is being paid, and the school is paying, the price.
Have to give props for, “The Fabulists.” That is so quality internet commentary!
Further OT: but whatever you do dont pay the players! Big time football is a cynical exploitation machine. IL football has its flaws, and I would love athletic scholarships but on the whole the league has things in proper perspective
Are you high? Muhlenberg? wTF?
Not really studs, man.
Totally wasted. Lol
Call Pilling
Daddy Greene?
Last year we had a pretty good OL; this year we do not. They are very green and lacked experience, and they are also very young. If we had the same OL that we had last year we would have had a winning record. But this group could not open holes for the run game and could not pass protect, so how is that the fault of Fabish? Jake recognized going into the season that the OL would be our biggest concern. Unfortunately that was prophetic. It takes an OL at least two years of game conditions to be a good player.
Did Fabish not realize that the OL was marginal?
If he did, why did he keep insisting on running between the tackles?
Why did the passing game not feature more roll outs?
Why did he not use more two back sets and leave a back into block?
Why did he not run more jumbo personnel packages?
Why did he not run more screens, draws and reverses?
And by the way, this would have been the same OL that would have played if Al Bagnoli was still the coach.
What did Fabish do to compensate?
I get it, people like Fabish. I am sure he is a wonderful person.
The problem is, he is not ready to be a Head Coach.
I think he originally went with Bell over Green because of the OL deficiencies. Bell is supposedly more mobile than Green. But Bell could not recover the magic from the end of last year. His passing was pretty bad. But all of the suggestions above make sense to me. Giorgi actually had a pretty good season despite the poor OL play. Where we got killed is the lack of pass protection. I think if Mark stays he will probably have to get a new OC, which may not be fair to Joe, who seems to have a good rapport with the players.
We will lose to Cornell.
Muhlenberg would probably beat us by 25. Several posters would then insist that Fabish did a GREAT job and that we lost because of bad luck and bad weather.
Cornell has not been playing well lately. I actually expect that we will put on a strong showing.
What a year. Princeton blew it so now I guess it comes down to H, Y and D for the final weekend.
Harvard and Yale fans will be thrilled that The Game is now also (partially) the league championship. The rich get richer.
Just an FYI for all the folks on this blog - the players want to play for Fabish, the OL was young and will get better, and a few key players were hurt on both sides of the ball. Fabish will be fine as our skipper and his coaches are some of the best in the league. Let’s Go Columbia!!
Totally DELUSIONAL and a big fan of nurse Ratchett!
Fabish is going to get the gig.
Is Fabish gets elevated, it will Mississippi State 2.0
Last December, the veteran coach Mike Leach died suddenly. Having to prepare for a bowl game, the administration there had no choice but to promote the Defensive Coordinator, Zach Arnett.
After going 4-6 this year, Zach Arnett, just got fired.
It is highly doubtful if Fabish gets promoted, and fails again next year, anyone will have the impetus to cut ties with him. He will simply languish for a few more years. That is the Columbia MO. Do not recognize a bad hire, but hope, against hope, for a miracle turn around.
Sooner or later, we will have to bite the bullet with Fabish, and cut our losses.
It might as well be now.
Let the new quarterbacks start with a new system. Let an inexperienced offensive line get a new coach. Start over, fresh.
A national search for a head coach will start next week. Count on it.
Fabish’s credentials will be 3-7 at best / 2-8 likely.
Good luck with that…
Columbia <---> Mississippi State
Give me a break
That's good analysis with the 3-7 or 2-8 prediction. Well done.
Hard to square canning Mark after 1 year, although to b e fair he was named “interim head coach” so as to make clear that he would have to earn the job.
Yes, the “interim” label meant he had to earn the HC position. Despite what the Fabulists would have you believe, he did not, which is why he shouldn’t be (and won’t be) the HC next year.
Any pro teams looking at JJ Jenkins?
Only as a package deal with baby gronk. I believe the Vikings are most interested
All of you Fabologists are simply weak and sad excuses for Columbia men.
It is outrageous that I have to get to name calling but you all clearly don't understand reality, reason or logic as it pertains to this terrible season. As a former player and Lion, I'm embarrassed to see what this coaching staff has done to one of the most talented rosters we've ever had.
The team has been unprepared, unmotivated and incapable of executing. All of these deficiencies go directly back to the Head Coach. No excuses.
Fabish and Dorazio as oc have been just awful. They also lead the offensive recruiting which is clearly subpar to all peer Ivy schools.
Do you want to compete at the highest level for championships or just be blindly loyal to a poor leader and coach and hope to get 1 or 2 ivy wins each year? It is bewildering.
Do you understand that most of the "Fabulists" are simply making fun of you? They find humor in all of the BS analysis, coaching critiques and complaining. You want a new guy, some think Fabish should get more than a season, blah blah blah but you're missing the part where people are making fun of you and posts like this.
It would be informative to hear from more former Lion players who follow the program to get their take on the staff. While I am not a former player I have followed the program for years and am disheartened to see the negative results this season. However, the views of people who really know the program are more valuable than those of us who haven’t played organized football since high school.
Good idea and you're on the right track. However, being a former player doesn't mean you really know the program. What any former player who does know the program and is engaged should do is talk to Piling. He's the guy responsible to pick a coach and all the opinions here are meaningless. It's just people talking.
We have a few former players with sons in the program.
But nobody with a son in the program is going to post a comment.
I'm a scout for the Las Vegas Raiders and he's not on our radar.
Please ignore the trolls (also known as Fabulists).
Me too
Baby Gronk is the key to victory. I have said it all along
Can't wait for this week's Why We Lost from Jake! And Columbia's positives. Hoping that the Search Committee has convened! That's the positive.
Men’s hoops going right to the Bags’ football handbook for some record inflation.Impressive wins over Bard and SUNY New Delhi- well done 🧐
Little Sisters of the Poor up next?
The Little Sisters of the Poor are a disgrace and only in Biden's Anti-Catholic America would they be allowed to perform. As for the Columbia Men's Basketball Team big wins over Division III Schools like Bard and SUNY New Dehli (funny), these game are troublesome not only because they are intended to inflate Columbia and Coach Engles won-loss record, but are basically fraudulent in nature because the schools we are playing consider the games to be "exhibitions" and report the games publicly as such. and do not count in their standings. Accordingly, isn't it possible that the New York State Attorney General or Manhattan District Attorney will commence a legal action against Columbia based upon fraud. I am not a criminal lawyer so I may be altogether wrong about this, but Columbia seems to be getting sued successfully for almost everything, so maybe Columbia, and for that matter, other Ivies should check this out.
You are an absolute moron. This is common in college basketball. You haven't uncovered any big secret, detective. We shouldn't play 3 of these games every year but most Ivies play a few. Penn opened with John Jay as a simple example and has another D3 on schedule. Just look at the schedules.
The players do NOT want to play for Fab or OC!!!
Is it really necessary to engage in ad hominem attacks?
Lying and spreading fake news is offensive.
Ad hominem
CU Women are playing Duke and Seton hall and the men are playing Bard and Suny New delhi--see the difference pal? One program is proven and scheduling top 25 opponents and one is looking to put something besides a 0 next to their win record.
Yes, but not something that the attorney general cares about.
Last year’s Cornell game was probably our best of the year—an absolute blow-out.
That was then, this is now. 2-8.
So Cornell will be amped, at home, looking to avenge last year’s loss. I’ll say we lose by 14.
Columbia 38
Cornell 7
Cornell 28
Columbia 14
Asshats 3
Jagoffs 14
Interesting. Jagoffs and Asshats have been neck and neck all season.
Can we please remove any and all posts with inappropriate language?
I understand that in general, football coaches are not the brightest lights nor well educated. Today I watched Lance lob softball after soft ball at Fabish. What did he major in at Penn? Take a listen yourself and tell me what you think.
I think you're an arrogant ass for that comment.
What a dumb person thinks a smart person sounds like. He strings together words into sentences that say nothing.
He also cannot figure out how to say, “I have to do better as a coach”.
Send him on his way, please Mr. Pilling!
Arrogant but not incorrect? Is that what you meant?
Well stated
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