Tuesday, January 28, 2014

Education Fraud




As much as I’d like to see major changes for Columbia and Ivy League athletics, there are some things about the Ivies and sports that I am proud of and wouldn’t change for anything.

Foremost among those things is the universally accepted value of an Ivy degree. No matter how much any individual athlete gives to his or her Ivy school, there’s no way that student isn’t coming out way ahead financially when they get that degree.

I mention that today because a group of football players at Northwestern is trying to form a union.

Just let that sink in for a second.

This is Northwestern we’re talking about here. For every non-recruited varsity athlete, it’s extremely hard to get into this school and it has been getting more and more selective for the last 40 years. Graduating from Northwestern is a very good bet as a ticket to future success and opportunities.

And yet, the scholarship varsity football players are saying that the degree they receive and the course of studies they’re directed to, is not as valuable as the financial contribution they make to Northwestern’s bottom line.

And I’m inclined to agree.

The days when scholarship football players at major D-I schools could also be serious students are long over. I realize there are probably a few exceptions to this rule out there, but the guys bucking this trend are swimming against a very strong current.

Even at top schools like Northwestern, Duke, Stanford and Michigan it’s obvious that the education the top football and basketball players are getting isn’t very valuable at all.

Northwestern isn’t even a BCS contender ever, (although it’s nice to see the Wildcats playing competitive football the last 18 years or so), and yet these players still have a strong case that they bring in more than they take out.

I don’t think this union movement at NU will come to much, but the message is clear to me about what Ivy sports fans should take away from all of this.

The Ivy way is the 100% right way when it comes to education.

I have problems with the A.I., the postseason football ban, etc. But these are SPORTS complaints. No matter how many “easy” courses our Ivy athletes sign up for, the classes in the Ivies are generally real, challenging, and valuable.

I suppose some employers think about how Ivy grads who played varsity sports got in to their colleges more easily thanks to those sports. But I doubt any of them consider the value of those athletes’ degrees to be any less worthy.

At Columbia and all the other Ivies, too many of the athletes are treated poorly by insecure non-athlete students in and out of classes. That leads to self-segregation all too often, BUT it usually doesn't hold for the entire four year period. It's still a strong area of pride for me that I never feel like I'm talking down to a current Columbia athlete or athlete alum and many of them are clearly smarter and more successful than I will ever be. They were in the same classes as I was and they held their own just fine. 

Meanwhile, I know for a fact that employers who interview “graduates” who played football and basketball at schools like Michigan etc. do not generally believe those “graduates” received a comparable education to their non-athlete peers.

It should be noted that I and all the other Ivy sports fans who call for abolishing the A.I. and other unfair admissions rules NEVER call for a relaxation of academic requirements or the creation of phony majors and classes once those students are admitted.

If the Northwestern football players believe their degrees aren’t worth their efforts on the field, I suggest they transfer to another school where they might get a better deal. But short of transferring to an Ivy school, I suspect their options will be limited. The other option is for them to buck the course track demanded of them by their coaches and “advisers” and pursue the same majors and classes their non-athlete peers are taking.

Any player who does that will have my admiration in addition to a very inside track with lots of employers out there.

And how will a player who tried to unionize rather than take his admission to Northwestern and use it properly do?


I suspect they will be in high demand from the SEIU the next time they need a gang of purple-shirted goons to shout down people at Congressional town hall meetings, but otherwise, not too well.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Just my take of course but i think the union movement will fade when these kids graduate. It's not worth the effort. The schools who profit from their athletics will continue to do so. i have a hard time believing any of these guys feels that passionate about the subject, especially after graduation.

Chick said...

The fact that a lot of these "big-time" athletes are dummies and are exploiting their U to audition for the NFL is payment enough, to say nothing of a scholarship worth hundreds of thousands of dollars that can give them an education if they want it. This is pure BS and will disappear into the sewer where it belongs.
My interest us in seeing Columbia win many Ivy championships. Spare us ths crap from the Bowl Division
dummies who already have what they want--a ticket to the NFL..

Anonymous said...

No offense Chick, but i don't think schools like NW, Duke, Vanderbilt , Stanford, North Carolina, etc. bring dummies into their program. Most of those guys value their education and they have to work very hard to keep their eligibility. Every scholarship program has freeloaders but the percentage with NFL potential is slim.

Unknown said...

Isn't UNC Chapel Hill in the midst of a cheating scandal? Didn't Harvard just go thru a cheating scandal? Freeloading athletes with "other" agendas are at ALL schools.

WOF said...

Let's be honest. The Ivy League football teams don't exactly corner the market on mensa members. It's not all 4.0 GPAs and 1500 Board scores...

Chick said...

Al, no offense taken but you didn't describe my comment accurately. The fact that this happened at a superior school like Northwestern is an anomaly probably due to some indiduals whose motives were not disclosed in these insipid news stories. There are vast numbers of schools that bring in low-standard students just to play
Fb and bb. I was not referring to NW, Stanford and Duke., although it's done there to an extent and in the Ivies too.
It's a shame that colleges are used as training leagues for the NFL and NBA. But they ARE colleges, and to pay salaries to their student-athletes is INSANE. They already get high compensation in tuition, room and board.
If these athletes don't want an education, all the worse for them and to them. But many do, and benefit from it after graduation because they all certainly don't make the pros.
The only conversation that is valid in this area is
about schools that restrict their athletes' education so they can concentrate entirely on sports. The am NCAA
Should increase its policing in this area.
If there are any lawsuits to be filed or "unions" to be formed, the goal should certainly not be salaries but equal educational opportunity.

Unknown said...

Ivy athletes are "night and day" above other athletes in colleges. Even a low band kid has over a 3.0 and a 1750 SAT. That's far and away better than any non Ivy program I know. Everybody is intelligent in the Ivy League.

WOF said...

Wwll, Danny, we had more than one player during my time in the 80s who did not break 1000 on their boards.

And a 3.0 is not exactly Ivy material, unless you play a sport or an Obo

Unknown said...

Wow really WOF? That's crazy! I hope that guy was a stud player!! The 3.0 is low but that's why you only get 2 low bands per year. The majority of the team are scholars in the truest since of the word.

WOF said...

I believe I had heard from a former coach that the median SAT back then was about 1200 for the team. Or was it average score? Not sure about GPA

alawicius said...

1200 for the Verbal/Math isn't bad, average is about 1000.

WOF said...

1200 compared to the rest of the school? Bit of a difference