Wednesday, December 4, 2013

5 Open Questions for Ted Gregory '74


Ted Gregory

Ted Gregory, a great Lion All Ivy player in the early 70's, was the head of the search committee charged to aide Athletic Director Dianne Murphy hire a new head football coach in late 2011.


Gregory had some experience in executive search for Wall Street firms, but none in hiring head football coaches. 


And Gregory is a very, very close friend and devotee of Bill Campbell


Perhaps that should have set off some alarm bells right there.


But let's let Mr. Gregory speak for himself if he so chooses. 


Also any member of the Football Committee who participated in the search process is welcome to comment as well:



1) Did you make it clear to Dianne Murphy or anyone else in the administration that you had no experience in coaching searches? Did you make it a priority to fill your team with people who did?



2) How did Dianne Murphy present Pete Mangurian's name to the search committee? Was there any explicit or implied pressure to put his name at the top of the pile? 



3) What vetting, if any, did your team perform on Mangurian during the hiring process?


(this question has a few subsets)


-Was the reason for his 2010 firing by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers discussed or looked into? 


For example:


"Mangurian's hard-nosed, old-school coaching style came across as abrasive and didn't mesh well with the players and some of the other coaches on the staff. The Buccaneers are believed to be looking for more positive, energetic coaches in the mold of Morris, wide receivers coach Eric Yarber, quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt, secondary coach Jimmy Lake, etc.

Mangurian, who joined Raheem Morris' staff in 2009, went through two difficult years in Tampa Bay. In 2009, the offensive line play was sub-par, largely due a switch to a zone blocking scheme that former offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski implemented before he was fired. The unit underachieved and Mangurian's personality rubbed his offensive linemen the wrong way and didn't help."


See the full report here.


-Were his run-ins with NY Giant, (and later NY Jet), Jumbo Elliott and Brian Williams known to the committe?


For example:



"There are times when a coach and a player get into an argument and normally it is no big deal. But when center Brian Williams and offensive line coach Pete Mangurian got into a heated argument that almost came to blows at the Giants' final practice this morning, it was more than the usual flare-up.
As their voices carried throughout the practice facility, players and coaches turned their heads to see who was doing all the yelling. Coach Dan Reeves had to walk away from the drill he was watching to help calm things down.
What is startling about Williams's outburst is that he is a seven-year veteran and normally one of the more reserved and professional players on the team. In fact, this has been one of his best seasons, and he was mentioned as a potential Pro Bowl candidate. But Mangurian's brusque style has irked Williams and other members of the line at times during the season, especially left tackle Jumbo Elliott, with whom Mangurian has had a cool relationship."
Full report here  from the NY Times AND here from the Daily News. 

Also this: 

" After some of the things Mangurian allegedly said to Elliott the last three years, Jumbo 

probably has learned to let almost anything roll off his back. During the final game of the '93 

season, in excruciating back pain, Elliott says Mangurian challenged his desire and toughness. 

It was something Elliott would never forget. Or forgive. A few weeks ago, when Elliott heard 

Magurian and Giants defensive line coach Earl Leggett had a brief shoving match during 

practice, Jumbo cracked, 'I hope Leggett kicked his butt."


Full report here from the Daily News. And the incident with coach Leggett was documented here.



-Were you aware and did you look into Mangurian's public issues with Atlanta OL Travis Claridge? (Claridge tragically died in 2006). Claridge's benching and the controversy surrounding the reasons for it were a big story in Atlanta. And the Augusta Chronicle openly noted the decline in the team's play and QB Chris Chandler's anger over the decline in protection after the move. 
From the Chronicle piece:
"Coincidence or not, the Falcons were 6-4 when Claridge started, 1-5 when he sat. The fluctuating line caused quarterback Chris Chandler to plea for Mangurian and Reeves to settle on a starting five and stick with it. Chandler, who was released in February as the only quarterback to lead Atlanta to the Super Bowl, only needed to point at his lack of protection - an NFL-high 66 sacks allowed and a staggering ratio of one every 8.35 passing plays - as evidence."
-Based on the massive amount of documented stories about Mangurian's reputation for demanding slimmed down offensive linemen, was there concern about this? Was this something you were even aware of? This is something that has been documented throughout his career with very little evidence of it succeeding at anything other than angering star players. 

4) Why were excellent candidates like Holy Cross Head Coach Tom Gilmore and Johns Hopkins Head Coach Jim Margraff, both well-respected former CU assistants, not even interviewed? Who were the people who ultimately were interviewed in person other than Mangurian?

5) At any time did ANYONE on the search committee object to or at least strongly question choosing Mangurian and if so, who overruled him and why?


I realize we'll probably never get the answers to these questions from Gregory or anyone else. But they are important to ask. And I think they prove that a proper vetting process was never conducted and that's why we have been left with such a disastrous head coach at a program that so richly deserved so much better. 


22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Gilmore could very well be available at the end of 2014. Holy Cross getting sick of going 3-8.

Al's Wingman said...

Well, to be fair, Chris Chandler was always angry. He and Patrick Roy are brothers from different mothers.

The lack of respect for Jumbo is a red flag. Lots of those. Why not cut to the chase and ask Mr Gregory why Pete was chosen given his history off personality clashes. That alone would make him the worst possible for for the CU football program.

Anonymous said...

Wher was this expert due dilligence that we were promised? Who vetted him besides Gregory? We keep peeling back the onion and it gets worse and worse!

Anonymous said...

Hey boys let me get this straight we are now on what looks to be a remake of an old hammer movie. Digging up old excerpts from articles about confrontations that occurred in the past printed from a reporters perspective. Stats don't lie I admit but there is no reason to drudge some of this other stuff up. Keep it professional. I don't know mangurian from a hole in the wall and yes stats do not lie but now it seems people are trying to find any gas to throw on this fire. I am sure if anybody had to dig they could find skeletons in your closets.

Anonymous said...

FYI, Ted Gregory was head of the sports search practices at two firms, and was identified by Forbes as one of the leading consultants in the sports search field. His bio includes coaching and AD searches, as well as other executive searches.

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Anonymous said...

I believe that I have the 5 questions that Mr. Gregory CAN answer...

1.) As a Member of the Nathan's Hot Dog Committee, why can't we have multiple mustard options at the golf outing (would like Grey Poupon)?

2.) Is there an option to have Vegan Hot Dogs?

3.) When you recruit new members of the NHDC, is it a requirement to have the inability to think independently?

4.) Besides securing relish for the golf outing, can you please explain what it is that you and the rest of the committee members do? From what we see, you have no input in selecting the HC. You cannot get rid of a guy that will be 3-27 by the end of next year (we all know that), and Dianne laughs at you all because you guys actually think that you have some say in the direction of the program. (Don't worry, she's not the only one that laughs at you guys, we do as well).

5.) One day, will you have the ability to think for yourself without requiring permission from Bill?

oldlion said...

Only one question matters: were the results acceptable?

Anonymous said...

Not to change the subject, but it appears the players are not the only ones that have used twitter irresponsibly.

Anonymous said...

Jake, I appreciate the effort and energy that you are putting into this cause and it is absolutely shameful how pathetic our football team"s track record is. This was the worst of the worst noted by many on this blog. But.... we have always had terrible AD's dating back to Al Paul and always have had for the most part terrible football coaches. This beast/disease of losing needs to be killed at the head. Penn decided to it in the mid to late 80"s as they were tired of being a doormat in the Ivies football wise. CU needs to decide to take that step by bringing in the right people or just admit that they don't care about whether we compete in football. But until you clean house top to bottom in the football decision tree here, nothing will ever change.

Anonymous said...

Penn did it by holding back on implementing their AI levels until the last possible minute. Other schools (Dartmouth, Yale, and I suspect Columbia) implemented their AIs immediately.

Penn took advantage of a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity of special circumstance. Columbia can certainly improve, but there's no way they can reach Penn's 1980s success unless 1) there is another fundamental shift in policies within the league as a whole 2) Columbia uses the shift to its advantage while the other schools do not.

WOF said...

There have been many great and thought provoing posts made on this board over the years but I think this one says it best:



Jake, I appreciate the effort and energy that you are putting into this cause and it is absolutely shameful how pathetic our football team"s track record is. This was the worst of the worst noted by many on this blog. But.... we have always had terrible AD's dating back to Al Paul and always have had for the most part terrible football coaches. This beast/disease of losing needs to be killed at the head. Penn decided to it in the mid to late 80"s as they were tired of being a doormat in the Ivies football wise. CU needs to decide to take that step by bringing in the right people or just admit that they don't care about whether we compete in football. But until you clean house top to bottom in the football decision tree here, nothing will ever change.

Anonymous said...

Why was Al Paul a terrible AD? He oversaw dominant soccer and fencing programs, resurgent wrestling and tennis programs, and built the football and soccer stadiums, all while a victim of administrative indifference and a lack of resources far, far worse than today. He didn't even have a direct report to the university president, as the AD has now. And, by the way, when he was in office, the AD was an ex officio member of coach search committees. For the uninitiated, that means he didn't vote on football coach hires. He even recruited Marty Domres to CU, albeit before he became AD. WOF, there are enough valid points to be made here without targeting Al. (For the record, I am not and never have been affiliated with the athletics department or university administration, and not a big fan of Mangurian or Murphy.)

Roar said...

Agree about Al Paul, he is unfairly
maligned. Wasn't he the AD when we won our only Ivy title in '61?

Anonymous said...

Actually, not AD. Al was an assistant football coach on Buff Donelli's staff when CU won its Ivy title.

Anonymous said...

Yes, by all means, let's return to the Al Paul "Golden Age" of Lion football. The Streak was not a natural disaster. Human beings, chief among them, Al Paul, were responsible. If we can't agree that Al Paul was a catastrophic failure as an AD, what IS the definition of success?

WOF said...

Maybe he was nearing the end of his career when I was there, but Al appeared to be the ideal yes man for the admin and had very little interest in the athletes. He also did very little (actually he did nothing) when McElreavy screwed over some of his players pretty royally. That was my view of him through my dealings with him, am I not allowed to have that opinion?

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