Tuesday, December 17, 2013

Cupboard Bare? I don't think so!



I missed the news on Sunday that Josh Martin ’13 had been reactivated for the playoff-bound K.C. Chiefs. And as he finally got on the field, he made a nice impact!

Martin forced a fumble on a kickoff return that the Chiefs turned into a TD in the 56-31 win.

It’s yet another example to shoot down those who say very talented players don’t come to Columbia football. This insane line that Head Coach Pete Mangurian pushes that he inherited a team with no talent and no positives is disproved every day. This just happens to be the latest example.

Mangurian came here with players like Martin, Marcorus Garrett and Sean Brackett all healthy and ready last year and all he milked out of them in 2012 was three wins.

This is not to excuse the previous regime that didn’t get enough wins out of the talent either. But that was why they needed to go. They had talent and squandered it. Mangurian claims he had no talented players, and decided to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

The Result? Worst season in Ivy history.


Oh, and let’s see how many of Mangurian’s players ever get on the field in an NFL game. 

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jake we know there was talent!! But there was not enough talent!! Going back five years of recruiting that includes NW and PM, there is an average of 8 guys per year quitting the team. That's 40 players not on the field or providing depth. So get off your soap box with the same rhetoric and delve deeper into the reality of the problem. It's not all just coaching. Why do kids quit the team under NW and PM? Two kids have quit from last years recruits because they lied about their love of football and just wanted the help to get into the school. Where is Austin Stock, Percee Goins, the Dlineman from Houston, TX?

Jake said...

Your facts are a bit off. Under NW, the attrition rate was stunningly low. No CU coach in modern history retained more players than NW. His problems were elsewhere. Goings was one of his recruits who quit, but he was a slim running QB who was a gamble. Under Mangurian he has NO CHANCE of ever playing and I suppose he got that message. Stock's case is entirely Mangurian's fault.

Anonymous said...

Ok Jake but NW having a retention rate better than other ivy's is great but he still had a lot of people quit which tells me that this is a league wide problem. And it still empowers my point that we didn't have enough talent and if we keep losing kids every year the problems will persist with a lack of depth. Last year there were dlineman playing Oline. This year olineman were playing Dline. Etc.

Jake said...

Oh, okay. You'll get no argument from me about how all the Ivies lose far too many players in football. Every team suffers this, even Harvard. And as a league, we need more talent and there should be a lot more talent coming to this league in general. At CU, the issue is not so much finding 4-5 outstanding players per class, but finding the 20 players per class who will be at least solid backups through all four years.

Jake said...

... and having a head coach who is as non-inspiring as Mangurian is a real kiss of death in this regard.

Anonymous said...

Can't blame someone that has no chance to play, for leaving CU football.
More important endeavors to complete. Talented non-players with other problems are another story.
Three of the best HS athletes I have ever seen went off to BIG programs and were never heard from again.
Not talent problems. Not disaplinary problems. Not academic problems. Just coaching quirks. Not every coach
can handle every kind of kid. Ivy kids are a lot different than "regular footballers" at other schools. Easy recruiting job, just ask, "How would you like to go (any Ivy school). Deeper scouting is needed to get the right kids.

Anonymous said...

Percee Goins came from a powerhouse program in DC that puts 20 kids a year into football programs on scholarship. He stopped playing football at Columbia because he was offered an internship with a company that paid him and was year round. It also promised a job at graduation making serious money. He made the choice and took the money. Good choice in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure we would all agree.
My contact has been advised to put on some weight. Not sure how many others have received the same suggestions. Will see at the start of spring practice.

Jake said...

Goings is a great kid.

Anonymous said...

Jake you are dumb if you think Sean brackett was good. Nottingham is I a whole other planet than brackett.

Anonymous said...

I agree 100 percent.

Anonymous said...

Hope true. Waiting to see. Has to learn to dump the ball.

Al's Wingman said...

Wow, ignorance on the board. Brackett is a much, much better QB than Nottingham. Brett has a good arm and give him some time he could make something happen. Brackett is much more mobile, fluid and knows when to throw it away among many other intangibles. Nottingham looked like the keystone cops in his one and only CU appearance.

Anonymous said...

Need Texas QB. Some of best all time were Texas HS grads. We need full time Texas/FL recruiter.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone out there make that happen?

Anonymous said...

Let's go to Canada and get some players! I mean those qb's have to be able to throw the deep ball given their field is longer and wider!
Think of how many kids want to go to an Ivy school and we cannot find 20-40 high caliber players? Really? Shocker

oldlion said...

Some of you are badly misinformed about Nottingham. He is a great passer. He had zero protection in the Fordham game. Nonetheless, he made some great throws. Brackett was an athlete who happened to play QB. Until he was ruined by Vinnie he was a threat to make something happen on every play. But if you want to know about Nottingham, ask anybody who has seen him throw in drills. He can make any throw from any spot in the field. Give him 3.5 seconds and he will put the ball right in the receiver's hands, and as long as he throws it to Connors or Nelligan it will be caught. And despite the debacle of last season, he wants to play two years for us, so let's hope that the NCAA and the league cooperate.

roar Lion said...

As usual, the Oldlion is right. I find it disgraceful that some dingbat would get on the board to slam our own players, especially SB and BN, two of the better ones to play for CU.

Anonymous said...

Nine current starting QBs in the NFL played high school ball in Texas, plus Cam Newton played juco ball there. Three started as rookies last year. Drew Brees and Nick Foles are from the same high school. CA has six QB starters in the NFL.

Al's Wingman said...

A QB has to be able to do more than throw. Nottingham looked unprepared even with no , protection, you have to make quick decisions. Brackett had arm and feet and think in his feet skills.

Anonymous said...

Strong opinion, not enough data.

Anonymous said...

Data? You must be a math major. Plenty of math and science involved in all athletics but the intangibles are what matter in the end.

Anonymous said...

Brackett was a great QB under Marino. A true dual threat. It was Pete who ruined him, forcing him to stay in the pocket, which he was too small to do.

Anonymous said...

Nottingham won't be able to play another year unless he drops out for the second semester. ivy rules against 5th years who have graduated.

Al's Wingman said...

At this point Nottingham should just try his luck in the Arena League if he seriously wants to play again. Nothing to be gained at CU even if he plays there's no line to protect him.

Anonymous said...

al's wingman
You need to just be quiet too. You don't know what you are talking about everyday. You make inaccurate statements all of the time. You are not a friend to the program. you are a …tstirrer and do nothing but cause stress on the players and those who read this .
Nottinham is better then any QB that has played at CU probably ever. His work ethic is unbelievable and he is a good guy. The program is moving forward. Lets try and be positive from this point forward.

Anonymous said...

I hate to burst ur bubble, but witkowski, montgomery, luckman...who doesn't know anything now? Not taking away from Brett, but you need to dip into the clue bag before making statements that make you look like an ass.

Big Dawg said...

Rich '66

The jury is still way way out on Nottingham. I saw some great passes at the Fordham game, but also very questionable judgement. Much of the latter could be attributed to rustiness and instruction, but it's "wait and see" for me.
BTW, when will we know officially about his remaining eligibility?

Big Dawg said...

PS........We have always had major attrition, at least in FB. Usually after first year. Since scholarships were never at risk, many guys simply stopped playing. We used to say that if we could dress all the drop-outs, we'd have title contenders every year. Just the way it goes in a non-scholarship program.

I'm not saying it isn't different now; just that it isn't new.

Anonymous said...

Look at Brady, Manning, Brees. I could go on. What do they all have in common, they all are not run very fast. Also, if you think Brackett makes faster decions why didn't he have scholarships to PAC-12 schools to play qb.

Al's Wingman said...

I am not a friend of Pete Mangurian because he has tanked the program. If he demonstrated an iota of competency then I would give credit where it is due. He has regressed a struggling program so if %$#@ starting is what this is so be it.

I am sure Nottingham is a terrific guy and he certainly can play QB. The problem is (as noted multiple times already), the guy has no coaching and looked unprepared in his only game time as a Lion. Why is that the case? It's not ability. It is bad game planning by the staff.

Your point about the program moving forward is the same kool aid PrezBo is drinking. You go ahead and believe the BS. You're going 0-10 next season with Pete so get used to it - again.

Anonymous said...

Brackett's problem was he was too short. That's why he didn't get bigger offers. It's also why Pete's demand he stay in the pocket and not run was idiotic and ruined Brackett.