Why Yale Won
The Eli offense put up almost 600 yards, didn't allow a sack and scored almost at will. The defense wasn't dominant but routinely stiffened once the Lions crossed into Yale territory.
Why Columbia Lost
The CU offense moved a little better than it had in a few weeks, but sustained drives were non-existent until the game was all but over. The defense was extremely soft in the middle of the field, allowing big plays and a handful of uncontested TD's.
Key Turning Points
-After a Brian East pick six made it 10-6 Yale, the Lion defense responded with a three-and-out and the ensuing punt gave Columbia the ball at their own 40. On the 1st down play, a 20-yard gain was lost when an open WR Cameron Dunn dropped the pass from Kelly Hilinski. The Lions ended up going three-and-out, punting and allowing a TD on Yale's ensuing possession.
-The game went from just a loss to another horrific rout early in the 3rd quarter when a bad snap forced replacement punter Tyler Feely to run with the ball for a loss. Yale took over at the Columbia 24, scored a quick TD and the pummeling was on.
Columbia Positives
-WR Chris Connors finally got a fair amount of playing time, and he responded with several excellent catches.
-Back up RB's Cameron Molina and Alan Watson both looked good for the most part. It's abundantly clear the Lions have the talent to run the ball much, much more for better results.
-Backup punter Tyler Feely had an excellent game overall.
Columbia Negatives
-Save for a short period in the 2nd quarter, the Lion defense was extremely soft. For some reason, Yale spent a good part of the afternoon trying to attack the CU defense on the edges instead of just going right up the middle every time. Thanks to that, the score remained below historic levels... barely.
-The offensive players who have the skills to make Columbia competitive, namely QB Trevor McDonagh and WR Chris Connors, were basically kept out of the game until after halftime. Hilinski, Dunn, and many other frosh have talent, but they deserve more time to learn in JV before being thrown into these games, let alone starting. Head Coach Pete Mangurian's decision to keep the JV program on ice for the second straight year may indeed be his biggest crime of malpractice as a coach and a teacher.
Conclusions
Coach Mangurian is basically using this season as an instructional league; putting in inexperienced freshmen and keeping to scripted plays instead of going with what works.
In his pregame interview with Jerry Recco, Mangurian paraphrased former CU Head Coach Bob Naso's famous "first this team needs to learn how to lose right before it can win" quote. Mangurian basically said he's not going to make any changes that might help the team win now if that gets in the way of the system he's trying to install.
The problem with this kind of thinking is that it breaks faith with the upperclassmen who have worked so hard and deserve the chance to play, compete and win. And Mangurian will soon learn the second problem: losing week after week by 40+ points kills recruiting in its tracks.
The destruction of this football program, most literally on purpose by a coach who thinks he can create a winning system no one sees any evidence of is beyond unacceptable.
Mangurian needs to go right away, and Dianne Murphy needs to pay the ultimate price for hiring him.
Any other solution is cruel to the players, the alumni, the fans, and to the entire ideal of Ivy League athletics.
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The spread for the Harvard game could be a league record. I'm guessing the bookies put it Harvard -45.
I don't want to say that I told you so, but I told you so.
Two years ago, when Norries' job status began to look tenuous, two unorthodox names were floated as potential replacements, high school coach Greg Toal and former TD Ameritrade chief executive officer Joe Moglia. I thought Moglia would have been a great choice. A modern head football coach is in many respects the CEO of a medium-sized business.
I believe it was Bill Campbell who publicly said that hiring such an unconventional choice would smack of "desperation."
Has anybody checked in on Joe Moglia lately? His Coastal Carolina Chanticleers are 8-0 and ranked #3 in all of FCS. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Moglia would have *jumped* to coach Columbia. Coastal Carolina -- that could have been *us*.
If you want new results, you've got to stop doing what you've been doing. Doing the same ol' same ol' generates the same ol' results.
I don't know what the answer is now, but being afraid of novelty or unconventional strategy because it is risky or seems "desperate" is exactly the wrong attitude. Now is the exactly the right time for novel thinking.
As I have said before, Connors is our best receiver. He isn't 6'4", so he doesn't start. Go figure. He routinely makes the square out catches that every opponent makes against us. With any other coach he would be targeted 15 times a game and catch a dozen balls. Hilinski will be a good player but isn't ready yet.
Yeah...let's gloss over the fact that Moglia coaches Coastal Carolina and can scholarship recruit academically limited players to Myrtle Beach. No knock on Moglia - he is obviously doing a great job. Columbia's problems run much deeper than who sits in the HFC chair.
Hey, Jake you forgot to tell us who the Player of the Game is for the second week in a row.
Joe Moglia is competing against other FCS teams which can offer scholarships to academically limited players. He's competing on an even playing field and winning big time. Myrtle Beach is an attraction but -- newsflash -- so is New York City.
Coaching at Columbia involves academically elite players without scholarships. So what? We can't even beat the three schools above us who have higher academic standards. Harvard (and, seemingly now, Princeton) are doing just fine with their AI restrictions.
Columbia football is, for lack of a better word, a "turnaround situation." The right man for a turnaround situation may not be the conventional coach. I look at Coastal Carolina's success and weep because that could have easily been Columbia. You look at Coastal Carolina and think, "He's got low academic admissions standards. That's not applicable to us." Which of us is looking for solutions and which of us is looking for excuses to keep losing?
Coastal Carolina had won prior to Moglia being there. Columbia has won virtually nothing in its history. Paraphrasing Warren Buffet...when a successful coach meets an organization with a reputation for futility...it is the reputation of the organization that stays intact.
Your "solution" is cosmetic at best. Whole thing needs to be blown up. Moglia et al probably couldn't any worse, I agree. But I highly suspect they would not do much better either as evidenced by ample history. Will take a TOTAL overhaul.
Anonymous said...
My sincere condolence to the parents of players who are subjected to this season debacle. I would like to thank the Seniors for their contribution,dedication, perseverance and hard work over the last four years. For the underclass men, work hard and stay focus, change will come. For the administration , it's your fiduciary duty to the fans, university,alumni and most important to the athletes who give their blood,sweat and tears each week. The present leadership has failed and change is urgent! Let's do the right thing!
Sunday, November 03, 2013
Sounds like PM is screwing, the school, the fans, the upperclassmen,the lowerclassmen and anyone else who's in the vicinity. And never sharing his lunatic plan so we could stop him. He's obviously nuts so I blame Murphy for not canning him by now. She's the AD, not Mangurian. She should decide if there's a if sked, not him. She should tell hi to coach the team,not install one rigid system permanently. A coach has to innovate, adapt to his players and opponents and all other variables year to year, not stare blindly at his master plan. PM and Murphy should not have scuttled the season without telling the alums. Fire both now.
Maybe Columbia can hire Kareem Abdul-Jabbar this time.
Post above should read Murphy should decide iif we need a JV program,,not Mangurian. She obviously washed her hands of everything. And if you're worried about deeper systemic problems, fire Bollinger too. He's just an empty suit who's been in charge too long.
I have mixed feelings about a JV program. On one hand it definitely does provide players to get some PT and acclimate to college as freshmen. However, I'm not so sure it does not much to elevate their play regardless since the jump to varsity FCS teams is really significant. JV play seems an extension of HS or academy teams.
I think back to when bruce mayhew led a JV team to an undefeated record. That class had an impact when they turned varsity. I'm just not sure these days CU has the depth of recruits to justify the value of having JV. I could be wrong. I don't like seeing strong recruits like Hilinski flame out due to (very) ineffective coaching.
A number of good players could have helped this team. Trouble is that mangurian wrote them off at the beginning of the year. Some good ones left, and his lunacy drive them away. I'm a disappointed dad left wondering.
What you do people DO NOT understand is that Mangurian has created the BEST JV team in the league! We are 85 strong and play each weekend! WhT a joke!
Swap Tellier for Mangurian until his contract is up!
What happened with the missed PATs? Where we show shocked at scoring a TD?
Barry
A short story for you guys wondering if a coach can be not on board.
Son's HS baseball coach approached him and said" I know you are left handed, but I can teach you to play short stop. Same guy pulled LH pitcher who had struck out LH power hitter 3 times with RH pitcher with bases loaded. First pitch, Grand Slam.
Also, played a kid in a playoff game at catcher who had never caught before.
17 year old crying after 3 innings and 15 passed balls. This is a true story.
administration did nothing.
Hope these kind of things are not happening at CU.
MURPHY OUT. MANGU OUT
The way this season has unfolded is a bit bizarre to say the least. Doesn't make any sense to play freshman receivers who are having problems catching the ball, an undersized line that gets pushed back on virtually every play despite heroic individual efforts. Even the choice of starting quarterback is unpredictable and seems to depend on the way the wind is blowing.We seem to have the athletes but we're not competing. I tried to get a sense of our HC's emotional state by his appearance on the sidelines this past Saturday but could not..there didn't seem to be any way to read what was going on because there was no emotion. I guess I would have liked to see, at least, some clipboard throwing. Still rooting for our boys to have something good to feel about before the season is over.This is a true test of character during a time of unprecedented adversity.
How is the next recruiting class really going to look with PMs track record???
Another question is how many PM recruits fresh/soph and how many of the PM jr/sr have left the program program since he's been the HC?
Departures include Alec Fischer, an excellent returner, Jake Wanamaker, a D1 WR transfer who could run and catch, and Isaiah Gross, a WR who PM said would be another Joe Splendorio, his best player when he was at Cornell. Good seniors banished to the bench include Lou DiNovo, a very sure handed possession WR who at 5'10" or so doesn't fit the profile of a PM WR. On an unrelated note, at the risk of piling on, the performance of the special teams yesterday was about as bad as I had ever seen, with two missed PATs, a bad long snap to the punter which led to a gift Yale TD, and blockers on the kickoff return team running into each other.
As I watch NE kicking the S out of PIT right now I'm asking myself why was the coaching search not left in the overly capable hands of Mr Kraft, especially with all the resources he has at his disposal?
Alec Fisher transferred to USC after suffering a bad injury skateboarding back in San Diego in August. So his departure unrelated to any of the current drama. This story BTW reported to me by mutual friends in San Diego.
Skateboarding just prior to reporting? Yup, sounds like a committed player with notthing but the team on his mind. And how does one choose USC over a Columbia degree?
Bob,
Incorrect on Fish.
Bob Naso, as quoted in "Losing the Easy Way : Bassackwards" from the Harvard Crimson, September 17, 1982 :
"Sometimes before you win you have to lose. Once you learn how to lose, then you find ways to win."
Naso was mercilessly mocked for this statement. The fact that Mangurian even paraphrased it is disturbing.
Firstly, stop bringing up the buffet quote, if we had a good coach that may apply, but it doesn't here.
Anybody who has a competitive bone in their body would still be coaching on the sidelines and not emotionless.
As a former CU player I have a good mind to donate to the other schools just to punish columbia for their stupidity. The only reason I don't is because of the kids, but sure as hell I am not going to give and next step is to fill brown's football budget up so CU never wins again.
Firstly, kiss my ass. I'll bring up any quote I like. Sycophants on this site kissed the crack of PM's ass as they ran honorable Norries Wilson out of town. Now they either defend him or call for his scalp. Again, my guess is if he were ranting and raving against the dying of the light on the sideline, you knights of the keyboard would be crucifying him for that too. The cyclical nature of the Columbia football program is truly laughable to outsiders looking in.
The point is simply changing coaches is a necessary step apparently, but cosmetic at best. Deep seated structural problems exist at Columbia that will doom whoever sits in the big chair.
To the current players...keep playing hard (or harder in some cases). As Parcells said: every team deserves a chance to win. I have no idea what that will take. I favor blowing it all up. Dust off, nuke the site from orbit...only way to be sure. Then start over. I believe you can win the....just gonna take a whole new paradigm.
The only people defending Pete on this blog are AD trolls.
Not to defend anyone but a good coach doesn't have to show emotion. It would not be a stretch to assume the entire coaching staff is embarrassed. But to react negatively while on the sidelines is not the professional thing to do. These are people who will need to find other jobs and keep rolling with the punches, as demeaning as it has been for them.
Sounds crazy, but offense was greatly impoved in 2nd half at Yale. D still obviously needs help, but if O can stay on field longer, opposition will score less.
GP
firstly to kiss my ass, bring it on as i am sure you would not survive you apple polishing buffoon. go quote buffet and euripides for all i give a shit, but playing football isnt what we are doing. I dominated that thing you call kraft field and will surely have you on your knees begging for mercy and trust me, i dont give or grant mercy. go quote the oracle of omaha to somebody who gives a damn about that, but it isnt me and your lines are like toilet paper i use. your quote is off because it gives the impression that this coach is good which he is not..in fact he is terrible. yes, structural changes need to be made, but your quote is misleading and useless.
to emotionless, emotion doesnt have to be negative, it can be very positive. not showing any type of emotion shows apathy, which is substantially worse.
btw, if you are an outsider then you have no idea, so get the fck out and offer your opinion to people not vested who want to hear you babbling about your money management quotes. in fact, your time would be better spent reading buffet;s annual reports so that you can come up with some new quotes, like a rising tide lifts all boats/ships, after all you only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out, rule number 1 dont lose money, rule number 2 is dont forget rule number 1...blah blah blah
I can't stand Pete in the slightest but the last thing I would expect from anyone in his position is to start giving pep talks or anything resembling a "c'mon boys, we can do it" attitude. Maybe if the blowouts were an anomaly, sure, let's get back out there and show them what we're made of. What is happening now is unprecedented, even for CU. Pete has to be fully aware he is outmatched in every possible way. He knows he has lost the team. He knows no one likes him anywhere outside his immediate family and close friends. He knows his coaching career is in dire jeopardy since he lobbied and got this job. He was not recruited to be at CU. He is on the hook because he said he could get the job done and he obviously can't. How would any of us feel if we were in the precarious spot of being labeled one of the worst coaches ever to disgrace a football field?
Despite Pete's thick skulled ego, he knows he is in the crapper. So far be it from me to stick up for him because I am not but i think the guy has suffered more than his share of abuse on this board. Give it a rest. The problem is the school administration. If they don't want to fix it then root for another team and get over your issues.
given the abuse he has shown the players i think this board is being overly kind to Pete
Fire him, he is incompetent. Then clean out the athletic department, they are just collecting paychecks. The place is the laughing stock of the Ivy League. If you bring in a good tough coach, the players will come. If the morons in administration keep this lunatic Mangurian you won't be able to recruit anyone.
Unless Murphy does the honorable thing and falls on her sword we are not going to get the problem fixed at the core. She knows nothing about football and Bollinger will not fire her because she is a politically correct hire, unless there is a massive outpouring of alumni revulsion. In Japan, since ritual seppuku is no longer practiced somebody in her position with even a shred of self respect would resign. So buy out her contract, make Ray the acting AD, and get serious about hiring a world class AD with a mandate for change. Bob Kraft, if you or your sons are reading this, please help. This cannot go on. And a final word to all of my Columbia fans. Keep pulling for the boys who are suiting up each week.
Ray has become a yes man for Dianne and remember he was chased out of town as well by the same mob. Ray oversees FB now and was part of the search. We need more.
Tellier is NOT the answer. He brought this clown in along with Campbell'S encouragement!
The really sad thing about that 1982 Nasso quote is that "The Streak" began the following year.....
I suggested Ray as an interim stopgap, for the next two months or so.
Naso teams were far better then this debacle. At least they scored often and were entertaining to watch. This team can't get more then a handful of first downs per game against really mediocre Ivy teams ( Yale and Penn)
Murphy - Harvard HC -can't stand Mangoofball- don't be surprised if he drops 70 on him again as the last nail in coffin( wishful thinking)
I am going to urge all of us who love Columbia football to show up en masse this Saturday. I think it is important for two reasons. First, although I have been to five dispiriting games this season, and can see firsthand what is going on, I would suggest that as many of us as possible see for themselves. Second, let's show the players and their families that we care about them. Sit next to some parents and tell them that you care and that this too will hopefully pass.
And as far as Murphy and her cohorts, I commend to all of you Oliver Cromwell's speech on the dissolution of the Long Parliament, especially the peroration. You can Google it.
Went to Yale game. Saw big improvements in passing game in 2nd half. A couple of very good catches.
Wish they played like that all year. At least the games would have been closer.
GP
Anonymous about 5 posts above, you think Pete has suffered more than his share of abuse huh? Well I seriously doubt that is going to stop on this blog.. Our sons are suffering the abuse of which you speak. They are getting beat up physically, there have been more injuries this season than ever. Mentally? They are beaten down as well, but each game is a new opportunitiy to show you what they are made of. They go out each Saturday thinking they can win this one. As old lion posted, come out in packs this Saturday against Harvard, show this team you are behind them , cheer and please support them as you never have before.
Radio interview before Yale Game
Go in 15:32 to hear Mr. PM
http://www.gocolumbialions.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=9600&id=3091233&ATCLID=&SPSID=&SPID=&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=9600
“They did not execute”
Vs.
“We did not execute”
“pushed around physically”
That’s why you don’t tell your OFF/DEF linemen to lose weight.
“We don’t want to win, we want to play well”
Repeating himself over and over…
I dont' hear a plan or any fire from my persepctive.
YIKES!!
He actually said "we don't want to win, we want to play well"??? What kind of coach talks like that?
Can we at least agree that things have become very nasty indeed on this site? Unnecessarily so, in my opinion.
I also wonder how many people are actually posting here. So many posts sound stylistically similar, after all. (And also often as if written by mere blowhards, such as the one or two=person claque still pushing for Bosco's Greg Toal - no one else finds it curious that some other college hasn't snapped up this supposedly outstanding candidate yet?) Can you supply some numbers as to the actual extent of those expressing their (fairly understandable, to be sure) disappointment and rancor here, Jake?
It's also very strange how many folks seem to have focused their rage on Dianne Murphy. (Here I pause and wait for the seemingly inevitable claim that I too am a troll for her department. But I'm not.) To the point where "several" seem even to have forgotten what exactly it is that an Athletics Director does. Certainly to a point which leads them to snarl, even dismiss, deserved athletic success in several other sports. Is this sort of, well, "football-uber-alles" attitude really necessary? (And no one else is excited about basketball beginning this Saturday? The New York Post in fact had a very nice story Saturday about how good a recruiter Kyle Smith seems to be, and he surely seems to date an excellent coaching choice by, wait for it, Dianne Murphy!)
Anyway, I remember a remark from Aaron Kelton (who, I hope all remember, has achieved pretty good success himself as head coach up at WIlliams after a spell working at CU for Norries). He said, to general nods of agreement from several other assistant coaches, that his impression of Ivy football was that it only takes one or two absolutely dominant players at their respective positions to win a league title. And while we've had some very good players over the last 20 years, the only absolutely and completely dominant player we've come up with has been Marcellus Wiley. We also clearly don't have totally dominant players this season, especially on the offensive line.
Perhaps the solution is to dump Coach Mangurian. Perhaps not. But it certainly seems desirable that the rancor and sheer expenditure of vitriol by some posters towards others here is a divisive, windy waste of time.
Start Connors and target him on three step patterns. Move the chains. The freshman WRs are not ready to play and will not be ready to play until they learn how to catch. Not sure about who to start at QB, but I wonder of it is fair to a freshman to put him back there against a crazed Harvard front seven. Run some screens. Shorten the game by running Garrett 30 times. Eventually he will break a few. On defense use all three time outs on defense if Harvard goes no huddle to slow them down. Play cover two and prevent the long ball. Murphy will throw the long ball on his first play from scrimmage.
Jake, I will continue to read , but am done posting. Getting us nowhere. Very dis - heartening ,just do not feel necessary changes will be made.
Dianne Murphy hired Mangurian and there is no doubt the hire is completely on her.
I'm glad we got a nice write-up in the NY Post for basketball, but how about some wins? It's amazing how starved fans like us are apparently willing to eat tree bark instead of demanding real food. Wins are food, praiseworthy articles about recruiting are tree bark.
By the way, Men's basketball came in dead last in the Ivies last season and has been picked for last again.
In her entire tenure as AD, we have ZERO winning seasons of any kind in football and ZERO winning Ivy seasons in men's basketball. (and only ONE winning Ivy season in women's bball, a sport Murphy knows very well as a former coach herself). Let's face it, she doesn't know how to implement a winning program and our student athletes deserve someone who does.
That's all we need to know and should focus on.
Has Mangurian lost it! His ravings sound like that of a madman. I am serious, is he well of mind?
Shut dowbn the blog. This team isnt even worth the time on this site.
And who is that moron who keeps using the word claque! If you don't shut the website dow, block him from his usual inane and ridiculous comments-"it takes one or two dominant players". Is he for real! He has as much intelligence as Mangurian!
Not to defend Murphy here, Jake. But Columbia has only had a handful of winning football & men's basketball seasons combined since 1980. Would be surprised if the total number between the two is as high as five. So even if Murphy hasn't seen a winning football or men's hoops season, I'm not sure her predecessors have been better.
"Not to defend Murphy here..."
Please pay close attention to what you just said.
Is "everyone else has failed" an excuse at a school like Columbia?
I suspect very strongly that your line of thinking is the #1 reason why we continue to fail. So many of our alumni and administrators think it's okay since we've been doing it for so long.
I agree that the vitriol is out of control here, but I wonder if the few defenders of PM are watching the games. On Saturday, Trevor comes in late in the first half. It is immediately clear that he's been working hard and improving. Good for him and his coaches. He throws an accurate pass to a frosh WR, who is wide open and drops it. A couple plays later, another great pass to a wide open freshman dropped. On his fifth pass, he throws a sharp ball a bit high to Connors, who makes a leaping catch and moves the chains. The half ends with us just out of FG range and Trevor something like 2 of 6 despite having thrown four very good balls and gotten hit on a fifth (and maybe PI on the throw to Garner).
As fans watching on TV, it really does appear that the coaches don't care about putting out the best players, such as WRs who can catch the ball. Whatever it is that Pete is trying to prove, putting unprepared freshman (and underweight OLs) out there to fail is a form of professional malpractice. The University asks the players to devote 30 hours a week to their sport; at a minimum the players are owed a coaching staff that cares for their well-being and tries to win.
To PM's defenders I ask one question: how is he going to recruit off of the worst season in CU history after telling the media that a rebuilding program shows its biggest improvement in the second year? I imagine Pete will resign at year end because he knows the recruiting trail is ice cold.
What do ADs do? USC's AD Pat Haden fired his football HC at 3 a.m. In an airport a few weeks ago. Basketball is stuck in the mud. What is Murphy's great success, archery?
Give the BS a rest and look at ugly reality.
Since I'm the "moron" who's used the word claque a few times with regard to Greg Toal, I think I have the right to ask if the loudmouth(s?) who complains about it even knows what the word means. Honestly, fella, you sound neither terribly bright nor temperate in your views towards fellow Columbians. You seem to post purely out of anger. I even wonder if you in fact attended Columbia. (Or Don Bosco for that matter.) And to one sole real and terribly childish effect: to alienate and insult others on this blog. It's hardly helpful. And the nastiness you seem to muster against anyone who dares disagree with you is thus simply appalling.
In Kyle Smith's first season at CU, by the way, he went 15-13. Last year we took a small step back and yes, finished last in the Ivies, one game behind two other teams. (At, I believe, 15-15, which is respectable but not outstanding.) But Coach Smith has nonetheless delivered wins for the basketball program, and last year beat both Harvard and Villanova. For some odd reason Columbia always fades a bit in league play (Joe Jones too had this problem). But men's basketball is always competitive and the program looks in fine, capable hands. This year's Columbia team will be a good one.
And I'm still waiting, Jake, for some actual indication of how many separate e-mail addresses have posted on the "current crisis" in Lions football.
TO..... This team isn't even worth the time on this site
Tell that to the players, jerk
Why is this moron "anonymous" talking about the basketball program?
I really can't be sure about who comments here anonymously. But this site is getting more than 2,000 unique user page views per day. I don't even know if that's impressive. That's just the number I have.
Anonymous
did Jake answer your question-you moron!
Jake,
I agree that some of the responders are getting way too vindictive and childish. Seems like one or two are responsible for most of the"idiot" "moron" etc. remarks. I am not a prude nor a nerd, but these guys are going past the boundary of respect that most readers observe here.
GP
Grow up! Have you run out of small animals to set on fire?
Jake,
Can you tell how many are coming from Bellevue?
To the genius who quoted Kelton.
Williams is 2-5 for the first time since 1947. Tough to figure out why that is.
While many above have compared Mangurian FB to Kyle Smith MBB, it is important to note that at least MBB was competitive last year. Yes, they lost 10 Ivy games but in 8 of them, they were within 1 score or winning in the final minute. Compare that to the FB team, which hasn't been within a score in the 4th quarter all season. Basketball was in last but there are signs of hope and a strong recruiting class in the wing. There is no way we can say the same for football, unfortunately.
Chris CC'93
twitter.com/culions1993
You kidding me ! This blog is awesome. There are some incredibly funny people here. This is like a Seinfeld episode. It is must reading. There is real passion and humor here. Nonetheless, we could do without the childish name calling.
T M 196
To those who wish for the Kraft family, I think you already have them. I believe they were involved in PM's hiring. He is a clone of head coach Bill B. of Kraft's Patriots. He doesn't smile and it's his way or the highway. He is the third of Bill B's failed clones.
The first was Ex Patriot assistant coach Charlie Weiss who was a reasonable 62-35 at Notre Dame but not good enough for ND alumni. He is currently 3-17 at Kansas where he made the comment after year number #1 that he would have a great 2nd recruiting class because he would tell prospective recruits that his first team was so bad that they would have a great shot at playing right away. Sounds familiar, it's the players and not the coach.
The 2nd failed Bill B. clone was Eric Mangini late of the NY Jets and the Cleveland Browns. This prince charming was 23-25 with the Jets and 10-22 with the Browns. Even Bill B. his smiley mentor turned on Eric with suspicions that he was the guy who ratted Bill out for filming opponents practices. Is that where PM got his sideline filming fetish?
So could the Krafts be already in the building? Very interesting.
Some guys are better position or assistant coaches than head coaches. To be a HC you need to show results. All Pete has done is prove he can be a belichick underling. Nick Saban is a complete authoritarian but gets the job done. He commands respect. Pete needed to be of the mindset of proving his worth before barging in with that approach. Once you alienate your players and make bad decisions leading to diminished morale you have sunk your program.
He'll never get out from under this. Unless he crawls back to Belichick for a job and ends up washing players' jocks.
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