Kickoff Time: 1:30pm
Gametime Weather: 48 degrees, partly cloudy
The Spread: Dartmouth is favored by 17 1/2 points
Lead Stories:
-There are serious questions here in Hanover about the quality of the Green after a lackluster loss to Bucknell last week and a growing worry that the win over Yale two weeks ago may not have been so impressive either. Now the injury bug is biting harder and it may be harder than expected to make a statement win over the Lions. One thing I'm sure of: if Dartmouth loses this game, Buddy Teevens loses his job at season's end.
-The stats are so stunningly bad for Columbia's offense, that half the league seems to be more and more curious about it. At some point, this offense should start to function a bit better, but it may not be this week or even this season .
-This is the first real road game for the Lions all season. And this is a team that hasn't won an away game in four years. Can a Southern Californian freshman starting QB get anything going on a chilly day in New England?
Columbia Keys to the Game
1) Get Something Going on Offense
With all of Dartmouth's injuries, Columbia could have a chance in this game if it can just score 20 points or so. But without a high percentage passing package, that's going to be tough. UNLESS this is the week Head Coach Pete Mangurian decides to give RB Marcorus Garrett the ball 35 to 40 times and it works.
2) Make Dalyn Williams Throw
Williams is a great QB, but with so many of his best receiving targets out, he may want to rely on his running ability a little more this game. Alex Park can do a good job if called upon to fill in, but containing Williams as a runner is a priority.
3) Come Out Like Gangbusters!
For a lot of the many young players on this Columbia team, this is the longest road trip they've ever made. They need to not feel uncomfortable or at least not look that way! The last two Columbia teams that came to Hanover looked like they were playing on Mars.
(Apologies for the low-tech nature if this post, but. I'm on the road for this game too and blogging from the Comfort Inn in White River Junction, Vermont!)
128 comments:
Jake,
Can you elaborate on the Teevens comment.
GP
"One thing I'm sure of: if Dartmouth loses this game, Buddy Teevens loses his job at season's end."
Ah... yep.
As far as Teevens losing his job is concerned, someone once said that there's something about losing to Columbia that makes people lose their grip.
Phil Estes is still employed and he's lost to Columbia quite a bit.
Jake,
If Teevens does lose his job, you have a dozen or so frustrated coaches here on the blog that could hit the ground running in Hanover.
GP
What if we lose to Dartmouth? Can Pete please lose his job?
Zero chance this squad wins today. Hopefully we get the no 1 pick in next year's ivy draft.
it"s all about not getting embarrassed now. keep it within a few scores.
Ok you Daily Downers!
Go loins!
Does anyone else question the ethics of talking about people losing their jobs for entertainment, or whose advocating it?
Does anyone else question the ethics of talking about people losing their jobs or, worse, advocating it for entertainment?
It's a billon times worse to actually get millions of ordinary people fired, as Obama has, because he wants to dictate everyone's life with Obamacare even while his big-business buddies rebel against it. Mangurian will keep his job and get his chance to win, which I hope he does. But there's nothing wrong with discussing or disputing the process, or have we lost the
final vestiges of freedom of speech? Moaning over losses and lost seasons is what fans do, except Columbia alums who moan about a lost century.
I'd say the discussion of Teevens losing his job over today's game is pretty moot.
28 0 in second quarter.
We look worse than previous weeks on O and D.
Dartmouth commentators are really trashing the Lions.
"This team is terrible, just awful" That's bush league but let's you know just how bad the program has digressed. They also pointed out that Columbia is at the bottom of all offensive categories not just in Ivy but in the nation. Great PR. For those who feel this is just a rebuilding year and bring up Surace, I suggest you are wrong. The only way this coach succeeds is:
1) Complete staff turnover (oc/WR/db/lb/ol/te/strength/nutritionist) of note.
2) Apologize to players in team meeting for season
3) Use spring to open every position to every player using objective markers including stats in weight room, 40's, shuttle times, One on one's etc without regard to recruiting class prior promises.
4) Bulk up lines
Even with all of this, don't see the X's and O's to get quick results. But perhaps with talented OC could win 3/yr in next 2 or 3 yrs. My biggest issue is that we aren't close to being even competitive this year and those of you who insist the main reason is that we don't have the horses don't know ivy football and certainly don't know this team.
Maybe they never stood a chance but this game is evidence Pete learned nothing from the blowout losses. BALL CONTROL. Forcing the freshman to sling arrows all over the field is not going to work. You have a proven, top back. RUN THE DAMN BALL. 3 total first downs, 6 carries for 5 yards for Marcorus in the 3rd as it stands now. They blew it by not designing a ball control game early. Not saying thy would have won but slow down the pace. Run some swing passes, get your workhorse involved. This guy Mangurian is a %$#@ing joke.
Just flat out terrible game planning.
Generally agree but hard to run with 8 in the box. This team is simply so poorly prepared to compete both physically and mentally. I have never seen anything like it from high school onward.
I feel bad for the kids. They have not been prepared and...oh hell, there isn't anything left to say.
What is going on with this program is not fair to the players. I am not going to sit here and point fingers; but the bottom line is these kids did not sign up for this. If it means a shake up at AD or HC it does not matter. I was once one of these players and its not fair to them or their families to subject them to such nonsense. I have 2 sons that are toddlers and you'd better believe if this kind of crap was happening to them, even in our youth league soccer games, they would be off the team so fast their heads would spin.
Agree
Have not bashed staff all year
Enough is enough.
Need to clean house.
Players deserve better.
What's with the political BS in posts, seriously? this is a football forum.
Need to clean house from operations to trainers to coaches. Anything associated with program needs to be gone. Neutron bomb.
For 500k per year you can certainly attract program building innovative and talented hc with proven track record but also need all new support staff. Everyone out.
The blame clearly falls on Bill Campbell. This is his guy.
It's over for Columbia football. Hold Campbell accountable!
Campbell, so Greg Toal who you said would be an "insult to the alumni" is who you passed over for this!
I think PM has had the two largest shutouts since the formation of Ivy League play in the last two years. And been on the wrong end of both. Columbia's pass rush and coverage wasn't that bad. Neither was punting. But everything else... pretty bad.
Pass rush was nonexistent as well. Punting only good thing you can say about this game.
Let's look at the positives...
1.) We held Dartmouth to under 60!
2.) We have an All-Ivy punter (and team MVP)
3.) our freshmen O-linemen are learning how to play collegiate football, granted at the expense of Garrett and Hilinski.
The "political BS" was truth not BS, inspired by the actual BS here that it's not nice to talk about firing anyone, to wit,
Mangurian. And I agreed with the latter, but not after today's
horror. Even other Ivies have three or four QBs prepared to play. We don't have even one, including the Stanford transfer. And not a peep to the fans from M, Bollinger, Murphy. Campbell.
There is only one freshman offensive lineman to the above poster.
There is one freshman lineman on offense and he isn't playing that bad.
Pass rush was fine. Columbia had several sacks and a few hits on the QB in the first half.
Opponents: 243
Columbia: 45
Yes, by means great selection, Bill, Dianne, and the Nathan's Hot dog Committee. Please, please renew his contract. Remember, Ther "SYSTEM" is not broken, it's the kids.
What a joke!
Columbia should schedule a game against Grambling. Maybe they'll forfeit.
If you let up 56 points, the D didn't play well. There are no positives. We are going to potentially set records for points allowed and fewest points scored. Our team MVP is the punter. The only facet of the game we do well in is special teams.
If we forfeit every game from here we may not set records because the score is just like 2-0 or something.
TEAM MANGOZO (rhymes with Bozo)
Win % 0.188
Avg. PF 12
Avg. PA 32
In other words give Pete a 19 point spot and he would still coach us to a loss . . . . .
I look back to the NW years with good memories. We were competitive for the most part and that's what we asked. Since our budget is now top notch we need to get our moneys worth. The product on the field indicates that not happening. We need the AD to retire so change can occur.
Clean house and BAN Bill Campbell from being involved in the football program. Let him give his advice to the fundraisers and keep him away from influencing the selection of the next FB coach!!!
I pose a challenge to anybody on this blog. Riddle me this batman
How is what we have building or even improving the program?
And for any Catholics, offering this up for the sins isn't an answer.
TIME FOR COACH M TO MOVE ON!!!! HE IS NOT RESPECTED BY HIS CURRENT PLAYERS. HOW WILL HE OBTAIN ANY DECENT RECRUITS GOING FOWARD, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES AT THE OTHER IVY'S!! HE DOES NOT KNOW HIS PLAYERS AND HE IS NOT A HEAD COACH!
FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CURRENT YOUNG MEN OF COLUMBIA FOOTBALL AND FUTURE GRADUATES OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, PLEASE LOOK TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, BEFORE THINGS GET WORSE!!
ALUMNI, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PLAN WAS, YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT INVESTMENTS, AND THIS IS CERTAINLY ONE YOU'D SELL IF IT HAD DIRECT IMPACT TO YOUR PERSONAL PORTFOLIO!!
HANG IN THERE PLAYERS, DON'T YOU GIVE UP, SOMEONE AND SOMETHING WILL CHANGE FOR THE BETTER SOON!
I wasn't there, so here is my question: have the players quit on Mangutian, or is the talent gap so enormous that we cannot be competitive? Or is there some talent, but the players are simply not being put in a position to compete by inferior preparation? And why is it, to furthe r,complicate matters, that we flat out humiliate ourselves on the road?
There must be some serious wash outs on the roster because if you go through the roster and look at the juniors and seniors, there are many guys who have not played a snap or have hardly played. That means NW didn't like them either. No wonder why we have no depth to speak of.
Those said juniors and seniors haven't played since they've been at CU. maybe JV but no or very limited varsity at all. Explains why so many underclassmen playing. Nothing in the fridge.
Injuries too
Old lion
The jrs and seniors uniformly hate the way they were treated by this staff. As though they were responsible for a century of losing football.
At Columbia, the strongest bond is with your teammates. This bond is the glue that holds the team together, so there will be trickle down to the fresh and soph.
On top of that have been poor physical preparation of the players, the whole body fat fiasco, poor player personnel decisions, and just bad X's and O's.
Add to that a complex new offense and an undersized and inexperienced line who have to read the D and call the adjustments, and you have a meltdown.
To all of you who are gunna post, "how do you know...." give it a rest and read the scoreboard. The talent differential may be responsible for 10pct of the problems.
Some good guys alienated by staff. No sense of team. When the coach creates an envoirment of humiliating and berating upperclassmen, there is no leadership from within. Out DC last year was a good guy, good coach. That's why he left. No one that is any good would stay and work with this egomaniac.
It's obvious PM has lost hs team. There is no fight left. I don't want to hear from PM that he has a plan and needs time to get his type of player in the program. Norries left him with some good FB players. He has broken them down. His own recruits are mentally shot. Lets stop blaming the players. This freshman QB was supposedly a big time recruit with PAC 10 offers. He looks terrible. The QB for Dartmouth wasn't as highly recruited and he looks like a superstar. It's the coaching stupid. This guy is a bozo. He once told me he doesn't recruit payers from Florida because he thinks they are all over rated. For that statement alone he should be fired. It's over. Get rid of this bum
To posters claiming wash outs, wrong, wrong, wrong. On most teams, you work your way up. 5 pct of freshman start, maybe 25 to 30 pct sophs and the rest juniors and seniors. You work your way onto the field. These kids had their legs cut out by this staff. You seriously have no clue what is going on and what went on. Look at the starting rosters of every other team!
A Really Roaring Retort to The Boy Wonder
We are better because:
BAM!!! I benched our upperclassmen because . . . well . . . I didn’t recruit them
ZING!!! I abolished a development venue for incoming . . . well . . collegiate football virgins
WONK!!! I put the outcasts in the stands where they could no longer contribute to a loss
ZAP!!! I wanted all of the new comers to respect me due to the above
CRASH!!! I just know that my smaller, younger, inexperienced, divide-and-conquer followers will carry me into the Ivy Hall of Fame because they respect the way I treat others, do the RIGHT thing, instruct the fundamentals, manage the clock, plan ahead, put all my eggs in one basket, adapt to change . . . . .
This is like watching a monkey f&^% a football
61 passing yards, 34 rushing yards. tell me how great these underclassmen are on the O-Line again? I missed it after the first five games. Oh wait, they're they youngest line, on everage, O-Line in all of Div. 1 football. We're been outscored 243 to 45. That speaks volumes.
Dartmouth's QB did have some FBS scholarship offers. He's a good player. And only a sophomore- don't be surprised if he wins the Bushnell before he's done.
Princeton-Harvard was insane. Different planet than what happened in Hanover, but still...
Can we start a BLOG fund to try and buy PM out his contract (Dianne too if the movement grows)? We'll call it BLOG GIVING DAY so that we can get rid of this disaster! I'll pledge $500 to get the ball rolling. Jake, just tell us where to send the money...
OUCH cheap shot against the seniors and juniors.
they were told by wilson their time would come after they earned and deserved time on the field. some of these guys have never gotten even a practice rep from pm.
Can we sue Pete for BULLYING? I mean these kids were so ill prepared that they were (are) being bullied by all of the opposition!
You can't have it both ways. PM played bracket, garrett, olinger, etc. he played NW guys that could play. The rest he didn't.
We just want it ONE way... Him GONE!
I was not on this blog prior to the Pete era but if voices here contributed to the ousting of Norries Wilson, then what are the odds of dislodging Pete? Can a blog wield such power?
As for buying out Pete, heck with that. Just leave Pete. He knows he's outmatched in every aspect of the game. His ego will have to take the blow because he sucks, everyone knows he sucks, including Bill C. Bill too will have to reveal a contrite attitude when explaining away this failure of judgement.
AD has to go as well. Admit failure and leave. We have all had situations in life where we had to capitulate at something. Now is the time to do so Bill, Pete, M. Dianne. See ya, wouldn't want to be ya. But Bill, keep those checks coming. Thanks.
Ayt what point do we say, enough is enough? UCONN said it, USC said it. We now haw the #1 (Harvard 60-CU 0)and #2 (Dartmouth 56-CU 0) record losses in Ivy history. So at least Pet's got that going for him. TWO records in two years. There is still hope that he will own the top 3 slots!
"Now in her ninth year, Dr. M. Dianne Murphy has presided over one of the most successful periods in Columbia Athletics History". Seriously. That is what she says about herself in her official departmental profile. Google her and read it for yourself. Start with her, unless of course she has a job for life because of the Campbell Center being completed on her watch. Maybe the fault lies with Bollinger, who,is apparently all too willing to tolerate colossal and judgment. After all, it was Bollinger who promoted to provost the clown who invited the petty tyrant from Iran to speak on campus when he was dean at the school of international affairs. And maybe the trustees will continue to put up with Bollinger because he has raised so much money and we rank so highly in the USNWR survey. But this fiasco of a football program is making Columbia a laughingstock, and I feel like the character in the movie Network who sticks his head out the window and screams that he can't take it any more. Is anybody listening?
Maybe we should consider playing Sprint Football. Thanks to Pete, we're just a few lbs over that team weight limit.
So if the seniors were screwed over by Pete maybe they should not suit up or participate in the senior day game? Hell, he probably isn't going to play them anyways. As for the juniors, just chalk it up to reality. You don’t get what you deserve - you get what you negotiate. And you weren’t a part of PM’s deal.
Dianne didn't build the Campbell Center, Jim McMenamin did behind the scenes.
Underclassmen are listed ahead of older players at 6 out of 22 positions on the 2-deep = 27%. Is this that different from Ivy League average? Just curious. In any event we are not seeing any weekly progress here and that is the most disappointing- particularly on Offense. Feel for the kids because it is clear that they are trying their best and it is not working out.
Keep your heads up guys!
Pete wanted less kids (we have around 80-85 now) so that he could manage them more efficiently. Note, every other Ivy team has 100+ players on their squad.
Pete wanted to kill the JV program so that his players could mature through his "system". Note, every other Ivy team has a JV team.
Can y'all see where I'm going with this? I think (really, I know) we made a mistake.
Bill, take the hit, admit that you were wrong (again), and stay the hell away from the program!
Jim McMenamin is a great guy who bleeds Columbia blue. I wonder what he thinks,.
How does 100 kids on the team help? You would definitely have a slew of kids that go 4 years without ever seeing the field. You guys just said that was a problem not playing guys. He's in his second year. Relax. One more year of losing added to a century of losing shouldn't make you crap your pants.
Wow oldlion, that movie brings back memories from the 70's.
http://youtu.be/gFKkZtX_7V0
Doc, problem is a number of players on the two deep aren't playing at all or limited. Your stats are therfore not reflective
You all sound like Princeton fans two years ago. Get a life. Everyone around the program knows that Wilson's last two recruiting classes were weak. It was obvious he was going to be fired. Hard to recruit good players under those circumstances. Only time will tell if PM will get it done. He is not going anywhere soon regardless of what you guys think about him.
Doc, problem is a number of players on the two deep aren't playing at all or limited. Your stats are therfore not reflective
This is a completely broken program! If this is rebuilding, losing by wide margins then we need to re-evaluate the direction taken by the head coach. I would think losing games by wide margins is debilitating to the players morale,confidence and to future recruiting.
We have the wrong fit!
Everybody here is venting , but for what? Whom if anybody that has some power is listening? Maybe Robert Kraft ? Highly doubt that .What about all you alum that are such generous donaters don't you think you have the right to speak up? This is embarrassing that's a given.. But what about these kids on the team? I think there is talent , I just don't think they are prepared out there. I feel so bad for these kids , they have got to feel very defeated. Please , anybody that has some input please speak up, we that post here just complain, we really have no say-so about our lions football team.
The Campbell Center has set back the football program forever. Have any of you clowns who defend these incompetent admin ever taken "the bus" to baker field everyday to practice? If you did u would know its a big negative to the program. Always has been always will be. Know these genius alumni (Campbell ) build this monument to I dont know what and hire a coach who forces these young athletes to get up at 5am everyday to practice ? What recruit with options would submit themselves to this nonsense. Thanks Bill. Great strategy. Thanks DM for this as well. Thanks PM for making a bad situation worse. It's over. Clean house and start over. Nothing to lose.
By going from 110 to 85 you are taking a bet that the 85 are the best...well our 85 aren't the best and it doesn't cost anything to have a free option on the kids numbeing 86 to 100 or wherever.
In 2009, Wilson kept them up at baker field every night till 8-8: 30 pm before the ride home. Not any better.
I sent an email to Bollinger after the Princeton game...nothing has been returned.
Des
Ps. I have no pull as I have probably pissed off more than my share.
Ok I see your logic but doesn't that take away from developing players? Less reps for everybody in practice etc.
Des, one usually gets pissed off when you hit a nerve. Keep trying.
Curious why the Campbell Center would set the program back? The team has had to bus to baker field anyway. The CC seems like a good thing to add meeting rooms, offices, better facilities overall. It's not going to improve the bus ride. For that you need to practice near home base.
Just an example, look at what Baylor has done by moving practice field to campus. They had the same problem, were a doormat for years. Now they are a juggernaut. Though of course, a whole lot easier to lay down grass in Waco, TX than NY, NY..
Announcer of UCLA vs Oregon game just touted the youth of UCLA's team playing 18 freshman! Imagine that. Young people playing.
Multiple freshman on their o-line
In our case, young people getting blown out. It's coaching you idiot. I'm sure that the young players are mixed in a sensible fashion, and there is unity. Here is division and Pete said it himself. He created it, and lost the team for it this year.
Idiot? Name calling? How neurotic.
If were unified they would still suck. They don't have enough experienced talent on the team. Quit wining.
Great call on UCLA playing so many freshmen! Just two points...
1.) 15 of the "Freshmen" are red Shirt Freshmen
2.) Their Freshman can walk and chew gum. Our O-Line can't. Oh, because they are the youngest O-Line in Div. 1 football.
Any more excuses?
Pete put these kids out to slaughter!
Hey, can we use the money we raised during "Giving Day" to buy out Pete's contract?
5 weeks in a row these kids were NOT prepared to play football, it's that simple!
Give him 1-2 more years??? We've seen this movie before!
Everyone so anxious to point out freshman mistakes missed out on praising the work of # 22 today, A true freshman.
Where did u read that our Oline is the youngest in D1? Your mixing up that #76 is the youngest player in D1.
Baseball practices at Baker Field, takes the bus, etc. iI hasn't hurt them. Something about coaching I think.
"Any more excuses" above is trying to be a wise guy and doesn't know what he's talking about. Par for the course with loud mouth types.
PS kudos to Al's Wingman. Everybody watch the clip!
Coach M is damned if he does or damned if he doesn't? You throw him under the bus but put no responsibility on the players for playing the game. They are prepared each week. There is no way they can't be considering all of the time they spend on the game plan practicing and watching film. At some point they have to execute what they are taught during the week. As a parent ,I know they are all feeling down , but they will keep fighting and it will turn around. We believe in Coach M and the team. Keep going Loins!
Stop crying you bunch of babies. Get off this blog and do what Des did; write a note to President Bollinger and express your concerns about Pete and the program's direction!
Oldlion...does the baseball team practice at 6am or lift in the offseason at 6am. These kids have no life and I have to think they are exhausted...no excuses but have some common sense. This PM is a jerk and has no respect for his players I'm surprised we don't see a Grambling style players revolt.
I plead with every one on this blog to go to you tube and enter"greg toal Don Bosco speeches"
You will be breaking down Bollinger door to hire the guy tomorrow!!!
I plead with every one on this blog to go to you tube and enter"greg toal Don Bosco speeches"
You will be breaking down Bollinger door to hire the guy tomorrow!!!
Hey Parent defending coach M. Are you a moron? So your telling us your son suks and coach M has a Master plan to make him a better ball player?
Yes because speeches win ballgames, obviously. My guess is Toal would be hired, have the same results of every other Columbia coach, and you nitwits would be calling for his head in two years as well.
Toal is not the answer. This program has sucked for years. Going back to Bill C years. The one thing all these terrible coaches had in common was the total lack of head coaching experience in the college ranks. Campbell was hired with none, Naso had a half a season, The great Garett had a couple of years at D3 with a losing record....I could go on but I think I have made the point. There is a coach out there who has turned a program around with a proven winning record. It just takes effort to find him. Murphy is a joke
Toal is an outstanding coach and recruiter! More importantly, he would win! Trust me. He is better than Lombardi but has not been given the opportunity.
Columbia should just look at his record and if you aren't convinced by that, every high school kid in the country would want to be coached by Toal. He is in the mold of Carm Cozza and Bob Blackman.
Tom Gilmore -Holy cross
Jim Margraff Johns Hopkins
PM is our coach and will right this ship as he is the man for the job. Deal with it.
Frankly, after meeting with Carm and knowing people that have played for him...I don't think he was what we are looking for, maybe in his earlier years, but not latter years.
Tellier had several years of head coaching experience and he brought in a very good staff...let's see gilmore at holy cross, margraff at johns hopkins and macdonald at new hampshire...and now what? It is just going to take a special person who wants to live to see this program succeed rather than thinking the idea is to turn it around and turn it into a better job. This can't be a job, but a love and passion...to see columbia succeed on the football field.
Little 29 years… won 110 games out of 236
Donelli 10 years..won 30 games out of 99
Navarro..5 years..won16 out of 54
Campbell..5 years. won 12 out of 54 games
Naso 4years..won4 out of 49
Garrett 1 year.. won 0 out of 10
McElreavy 3 years…won 2 out of 30 games
Tellier 14 years won 42 out of 140
Shoop 3 years won 7 out of 30
wilson 6 years won 17 out of 60
total games played since beginning 1039 total won 371
This is not a new problem. Stop blaming the coach!
Thank you
To the football challenged that keep defending mangurian, how can you look in the mirror and honestly say to yourself you are doing the right thing? The players are suffering on multiple fronts, the school is going to suffer as his inability to do anything resembling coaching is going to bring national attention, and the alumnae are furious for the most part? Get off the soap box and acknowledge that this is/was the wrong choice and it is time to move on. Trust me, no game is going to get easier as there is no team on this planet that wants to lose to columbia who is letting up more points than a cricket match.
Why don't we play a pop warner team to get a little morale boost and only lose by a dozen.
Snap out of it sycophants and realize that we are about to experience history...the total decimation of an ancient eight by two clowns from Cornell.
We blame the administration AND Bill Campbell for picking BAD coaches!
Yes, I blame bad coaching! And PM is arrogant. He has delivered NOTHING, except a divisive environment for the players and alienated alums!
Let look at what a dear paraphrased Columbia alum has to say about the state of coaching and Columbia football: "When a management (coach) with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business(program) with a reputation for bad economics (football play), it is the reputation of the business (football program) that remains intact." -Warren Buffet.
Great, one lists all the coaches in history and the only conclusion one can draw is that it is all the players fault. Now that we know this we should get rid of all the players!
Oh wait who the hell recruited all these players...the same losing coaches!
Players hang in there! Just because some of the dumb asses on this blog only know how to defend a loser as they are afraid of what they don't know...WINNING.
Keep your heads high
Leaving the field a few weeks back, Nick Saban took the typically inane sideline gal to task for here questions about halftime "adjustments."
"You all want to talk about the plays being called when what needs to change is the execution of the plays." Bama went on to win handily. The BarcaLounger Lombardis (who aren't as good as Coach Toal, apparently) would have no doubt found great fault with him for denigrating those poor players.
I am no fan of PM, but find it laughable that you all think the players bear no culpability for the product on the field. Have never seen a jockey carry the horse across the finish line at the Kentucky Derby.
If the players looked as if they were prepared I would suggest the bulk of the blame goes on the players. However, since I am old fashioned and believe the fault lies with the leader...there is nobody else to blame but the coach. But then again, I should check webster's to see the definition of leader because I am pretty sure it doesn't have this asses picture next to it.
[leans out window on upper west side]I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
Toal me it would be an honor to coach Columbia. He has the confidence and guts to make winners at Columbia!
I honestly believe pm felt he had to trash everything that came before him to be successful. The problem is nobody goes to Columbia to play football. They play football to go to Columbia. This is true at all the ivys. The redeeming experience is the brotherhood of the players. They keep themselves up, help each other in class and after graduation in the business world. They are a very tight knit group of incredibly talented young men. PM drove a wedge between them. No appreciation for what they've been thru. No desire to keep them up. You are seeing the results. He could have created a win win. He chose not to. Also, the accumulated staff is weak as well, although it is likely very difficult for anyone to shine at this point.
I honestly believe pm felt he had to trash everything that came before him to be successful. The problem is nobody goes to Columbia to play football. They play football to go to Columbia. This is true at all the ivys. The redeeming experience is the brotherhood of the players. They keep themselves up, help each other in class and after graduation in the business world. They are a very tight knit group of incredibly talented young men. PM drove a wedge between them. No appreciation for what they've been thru. No desire to keep them up. You are seeing the results. He could have created a win win. He chose not to. Also, the accumulated staff is weak as well, although it is likely very difficult for anyone to shine at this point.
Amazing how this thread began with Teevens potentially being fired and devolved into blowing up the entire Columbia program... :)
1) this team is not competitive
2) they are going in the wrong direction
3) they quit on this guy today
4) arrogant PM looked like a wimp after the game
5) I wrote last week. PM mentally wore this team out
6) fire the AD. She really blew it here.
7) fire PM. If you tried to destroy a program you couldn't have done it better or faster.
8) hire the OC at Princeton. He is awesome. Their special teams coach is exceptional ,too.
Campbell Center is awesome, not only as a morale improvement, keeping the facilities looking sharp (nice review in Bloomberg BusinessWeek last week, by the way) but because it added real facilities and moved the team offices to Baker for the first time. It's tough having the players commute -- worse when the coaches had to also. Now they are based in Inwood full-time. Campbell was a definite improvement.
And as for that bus, ok, so the stadium and practice fields are farther away than they are at Penn, Princeton, Dartmouth and Cornell. And Harvard Stadium is perhaps walkable at a little over a mile from their campus. But Brown Stadium and the Yale Bowl are over 2 miles from their campuses, a bus ride on city streets not all that different than the 6 mile highway route from Baker to Morningside. Hint: It's not the bus.
Please set me straight ...when other college teams have lousy , loosing seasons do they fire the players. No they fire the coaches! Quit blaming the players!
Most of these kids that are choosing Columbia are being recruited by other FCS schools (including other Ivies) and some even have FBS offers. It's not like they are recruiting kids that aren't on the radar of other division 1 schools.
So its obvious its not the recruiting or the talent of the kids coming in, so we can scratch that off the list.
This isn't the players fault. The difference between the commmon Ivy player and the next is diminimus. This is all coaching.
If you are the AD, how can you live with yourself?
Welcome to Al Paul part two except a woman this time.
And to the coach, soon you will be in the "where are they now" category and it won't be coaching football. As they say polish the resume up, because regardless of how long Columbia keeps you, you have created your destimy and it doesn't involve a football or a team unless it is a chain gang for the crime you have committed....passing yourself off as a coach.
I'm not sure that the football team could beat Columbia's Rugby team! I know that we would be out-coached!
Can we take Fordham off the schedule next year and replace them with a game against NYU? We might have a shot...
Probably just as well, but the Columbia Athletics write-up for yesterday's game was barely longer than the standard AP write up for an Ivy game.
http://www.gocolumbialions.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=43660&SPID=3885&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=209292289&DB_OEM_ID=9600
Needless to say, Dartmouth Athletics' writeup was a little longer.
Winning football games at Columbia is not a priority.
0.466 Little
0.303 Donelli
0.300 Tellier
0.296 Navarro
0.283 Wilson
0.233 Shoop
0.222 Campbell
0.188 Mangurian
0.082 Naso
0.067 McElreavy
0.000 Garrett
The median season is .233 so the good news is Pete is better at losing than most. That's a plus, right ;-)
And the guy calling all the shots had a .222 Winning percentage! Very reassuring!!!
Columbia Athletics website is a joke like the football program. Game story re Dartmouth was 120 words tops,mostly about a couple of Lions making many tackles (because Dartmouth had the ball 90 percent of the time).
The quote from AD website about Dianne Murphy
"Presiding over the most successful period in Columbia athletics history is the biggest howler of all time. She has presided over the biggest crap of all time. Her only achievement is with squash and chess plus academic honors for the archery team.
Bestost here : Don't contribute a penny to CU sports. I've stopped cold. Also nothing to the College fund. Our students are famous for sit-ins but they never sit in where they should--Murphy's office and Wien Stadium to support the team. Men's and women's basketball sucks too.
Give NO money to CU including the recent "Giving" baloney. Give to charities directly, not through CU so the
Admin can preen about how wonderful they are.
The reason the CU game story was short is because there isn't much good to say, and therefore it was appropriate. Anyone who complains about that doesn't have a clue. Do you expect them to fill the space with insults like you get here?
No, but I do expect better information or ANY information, plus commentary from coach, athletic director, players ablout what's going on and why..most of the content is
Directions on how to buy tickets to she next debacle.
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